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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

John Mason

You mentioned transport. I made the effort by using my bus pass to get to West Linton on Monday, and that was successful. The buses are not all that frequent, but the journey worked fine. A 45 or 50-minute bus journey from Edinburgh followed by a 20-minute walk in December was okay. Are there ways in which schools and everybody else could save on transport costs by using bus passes more?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

John Mason

Good morning. On the topic of people being convinced about residentials being a good thing, I am totally convinced that they are, so you do not need to persuade me about that. Further, our recent visit to meet teachers—arranged through the Educational Institute of Scotland—and the visit that we went on this Monday were both absolutely excellent.

Ms Smith, as we are both on the Finance and Constitution Committee and have previously discussed the financial aspects of the bill, you will not be surprised to hear that my questions are on finance.

You pointed out that the current system is not working, but is the problem really finance?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

John Mason

Other members will ask about other funding methods that might be used, so I will stick to the costs themselves.

The cost that you have estimated—around £30 million or so—is still a lot of money, and some have said that that will not be enough.

I was very impressed by the Broomlee centre that we visited at West Linton on Monday, but it could do with a bit of money being spent to modernise it, and that might be true of some of the other centres as well. Are you convinced that £30 million or thereabouts is enough? As I understand it, there are no capital costs in that; the centres are purely charging for running costs.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

John Mason

I will press you on that. If some kids are already at the standard that we want in relation to getting residential education, and if we are talking about levelling up the others by using PEF or a similar fund, would it not be better to target the limited money that we have at those kids? There could be, say, a top-up fund to which schools in poorer areas—there are certainly some in my constituency—could apply. That would mean that there would still be the parent contribution but that other schools would get some of the money and the scheme might not cost so much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

John Mason

Are you satisfied that the costs that you have put in would cover kids from Shetland and Orkney and further away, who will have much higher costs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

John Mason

What about Canada and the Netherlands?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

John Mason

Thank you. Convener, we can discuss that later, but I am concerned that there is nothing in the FM about savings.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

John Mason

Can I press you on what you mean by public sector reform? Do you just mean cutting jobs, or is it something else?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

John Mason

The subject of savings has already been mentioned and I think that there are two short paragraphs about savings in the financial memorandum. I take your point that that is not one of the aims of the bill but, if there are to be savings, presumably they should be in the financial memorandum. I want to explore where there might be savings. One obvious area would be the state pension. If we take the basic state pension figure of around £10,000 a year and we had 400 people ending their lives, that would be a saving of about £4 million for the Department for Work and Pensions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

John Mason

I take that point from the NHS point of view, but in some cases the family or the person is paying the care home fees. That can be around £6,000 a month, or £72,000 a year. An early death could be to the family’s financial advantage, and, sadly, we have known throughout history that some families want their relatives to end their lives more quickly in order to get their hands on the estate. If a person’s estate is going down by £72,000 a year, that is a big incentive for some families to encourage an early death, is it not?