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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

John Mason

On empty property rates, which the convener asked about, my recollection is that properties were sitting empty for quite a long time while their owners appeared to hope or expect that the property value would go up and they would make money that way, so it did not matter whether they put someone into the property. The convener might remember the example of the post office building in George Square—a beautiful building, right in the centre of Glasgow, which sat empty for ages. Is that issue not why we brought in the empty property rates? Is there a risk that development would be slowed further if we did not have those provisions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

John Mason

Your submission—and, I think, the submission from Scottish Chambers of Commerce—talks about matching UK tax rates, cutting property taxes, LBTT incentives and so on. There might be arguments for all those moves, but if the Scottish Government and the Parliament take in less money from those taxes, we might have to, say, cut funding to the NHS or local government. At a time when everyone is struggling and the NHS is clearly under pressure, can you justify cutting any taxes, given such knock-on effects?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

John Mason

That is helpful.

Your submission says that the

“Scottish Government should undertake and publish a full assessment of Scottish tax powers and their potential to prevent and reduce child poverty.”

Will you expand on what you mean?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

John Mason

Will John Dickie clarify his understanding of the cost of doubling the child payment? The convener mentioned £163 million, but I heard that doubling the payment to £20 and covering everybody under 16 would amount to £220 million. Do you have a specific figure?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

John Mason

Would businesses pay slightly higher fees if they knew that they would get a faster service?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

John Mason

That is me, unless Mr Robertson wants to come in on any of that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

John Mason

If no one else wants to respond to my question whether there is any scope with regard to tax, I will move on.

In its submission, the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities made the interesting comment that the national care service was “a distraction”. Obviously we are focusing on the financial side today—the care side of things can be discussed elsewhere—but, from that point of view, is the national care service a distraction, or is it something worth investing money in?

I see Adam Stachura nodding. Do you want to say something, Adam?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

John Mason

Adam Stachura’s submission focuses—and rightly so—on pensioners and older people, who might be poorer, but clearly there are also some pensioners and older people who are very wealthy. For example, they might have made a big profit on their houses and have paid no tax on that. If national insurance is increased, that will probably mean that pensioners will not contribute. Is there room to free up resources for people at the poorer end by getting better off or wealthy people to pay a bit more?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

John Mason

That was helpful.

You have also mentioned the area of planning and suggested, I think, that council planning departments should get more funding. I wonder whether you can clarify something for me, as I have probably forgotten, and for the general public. Is it not the case that planning is more of a self-funding exercise, given that the fees match the costs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

John Mason

Would an example of that be to say that we will keep raising landfill tax in an effort to discourage landfill? In that way, we could give a sense of direction, without giving all the rates.