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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 April 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

Thank you.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

One football fan suggested to me that, as a season-ticket holder, there could be a one-off check of his vaccination certificate for the whole season, so that he would not need to be checked a second time. Is that approach feasible?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

You suggested a visual check. Would that not make it even easier for somebody simply to copy a QR code? The point was made that you could not check the connection between the passport, or certificate, and the ticket for the game. Is that the case? Could a certificate just be copied and a lot of people use the same one?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

I am a passionate fan but, sadly, my club does not get 10,000 fans.

On spot checking, I think that you said that you do not want a fixed percentage. Can you suggest what percentage of fans would be spot-checked if that approach was taken?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Act Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

That was helpful. Professor Leitch, do you wish to add anything?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

I take your point that, in a sense, the wider the system, the simpler it is. I understand that the idea was that the system should be quite narrow so that it affects fewer people. Is it your argument that it would be better to say that people will need certification to get into any premises that serve alcohol and are open after a certain time—say, midnight? That would include not only nightclubs but pubs and restaurants.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

Mr Stevenson, you were laying it on pretty thick that this is going to be impossible to do, but the reality is that loads of other countries have vaccination passports. I think that Greece started its system in July, and France, Switzerland and many others have such a system. They seem to have managed it, so what is the big problem here?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

My next question is for Dr McMillan from the Law Society. I was interested in what your submission says about the concept of discrimination. You suggested that there had been a case—I will not even try to pronounce it, but it was in the Czech Republic—in which the courts said that it was not discrimination and that it is legal to have passports, certificates or something along those lines. That case particularly affected children.

On the other hand, you raise the point that introduction of a certificate could be discrimination under the Equality Act 2010 because certain groups have not been vaccinated. Will you tell us where you are with that? Is the law changing? Are we uncertain?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Act Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

My understanding is that quite a few countries have used vaccination certificates already, so I presume that we can learn from them. For example, I understand that Greece announced its scheme on 28 May and that there was a big uptake of vaccinations in June before the certificates came into operation in July. I do not know whether you saw the previous evidence session; in it, Mr Doncaster argued that we should be more like France, where vaccination certificates are required for entry everywhere, so that the scheme would be simple and understood by everyone. What have we learned from other countries’ experiences?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Act Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

As an extension to that point, if hospital numbers were to fall dramatically over the next fortnight, would we just forget about certificates?