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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 October 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

I get the point about pay, terms and conditions, but surely the cost of breaks for carers is part of the bill.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

The convener mentioned VAT. You said that the UK Government or HM Revenue and Customs would take a decision on that and that you were aware of what was going on. I want to press you on that. Regardless of what HMRC decides to do, is it possible to design a set-up that will mean that we do not end up having to pay VAT? With the police and fire services, we got into a situation in which Westminster, or HMRC, was being inflexible and we ended up paying VAT, which we would not otherwise have had to pay. Is it possible for you to design a system whereby we will not have to pay VAT, regardless of what Westminster decides?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

Could you not rule out VAT being paid because we will design a system that fits in with what HMRC wants?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

I will leave it at that, convener.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

I will let you all come in in due course.

One argument for the new system has been that it would bring more consistency. It has also been suggested that the system would become more like the NHS, which is a national organisation. However, it strikes me that the NHS can be quite inconsistent. All the health boards do things differently, every general practitioner practice seems to do things differently, and so does every dentist and optician, as they are all private. There is quite a mixture in the NHS. If we move to a national care service, will it be more consistent than what we have now, or will there simply be a different kind of inconsistency?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

Do we know how many care homes there are in Scotland? I assume that there must be hundreds.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

Is there a wide variety of legal set-ups that we could have for the care boards?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

That means that the financial memorandum contains quite a lot of assumptions. As you work on and develop the bill, how will the Parliament and the committee be able to keep an eye on things? As has been pointed out, we will look at an FM in quite a lot of detail, but we do not often see much of the detail with regard to secondary legislation. How can the committee and the Parliament look at that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

Would you provide that information, say, every quarter or when you reached a significant stage? Would you do that by updating the financial memorandum?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

That has been included in the financial memorandum.