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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 July 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

John Mason

I thank members for their comments. I take Murdo Fraser’s point that we did not spend much time on the issue, but the committee looked at a range of measures around bankruptcy and related matters and, generally, the theme was to round figures up and make them a bit higher. Amendment 69 is fully consistent with that. Although £1,000 is a round figure and Mr Fraser might call it arbitrary, £566.51 is a very odd figure, and I have to say that I dislike that kind of level of detail. With the current inflation level, £566.51 is clearly not very much to live on. I therefore encourage members to support the figure of £1,000.

I press amendment 69.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

John Mason

I am interested to know how the commissioner would be involved. If he had to judge whether the use of the powers was “proportionate and necessary”, would he need to consider all the medical, scientific and other advice that the Government gets? Is that what you are arguing for?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

John Mason

Are you arguing that the local authority, which I accept is democratically elected, should be able to overrule the nationally elected Government?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

John Mason

My amendment 67A is consequential to amendment 69, which is in the next group that we will debate. I will say more about that amendment at that point.

Amendment 67A would, in effect, amend Government amendment 67 so that my proposed changes to the protected minimum balance that is applied when someone is subject to a bank arrestment would come into force on 1 November 2022. As the Deputy First Minister said, that would introduce the change at an early opportunity.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

John Mason

Does the member accept that, as with anything in life, it is better to be prepared? One can never be prepared completely for what will come up, but we all have car insurance and a variety of things in life to be prepared for events. Is the principle here not that it is better to be better prepared than we were in March 2020?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

John Mason

Would the member accept that, in effect, Parliament has a veto? That means that a conscious decision would have to be made at the time.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

John Mason

I agree with the DPLR Committee and your argument that the made affirmative procedure was perhaps used a bit too often. I am just wary of ruling it out too much. Do you agree that there is some place for that procedure, albeit that it should not be used every day?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

Other members might want to come in on that point, so I will not pursue it.

I asked the Fiscal Commission about the emphasis on social security. Cabinet secretary, you have been asked about that. Social security will be protected—indeed, more money will be invested in the area. Will that have a knock-on effect? The concept is that, if we give people who are less well off a bit more money, they will spend it locally and it will quickly come back into the economy and boost jobs and, eventually, tax revenue. The SFC has said that it has not made that assumption. If we give more money to Scottish Enterprise instead, some of it might leak out to very highly paid people.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

I have a few things to ask about. However, first of all, I want to say how much I have appreciated working with Dame Susan Rice over the years. I was on the Finance Committee before the Fiscal Commission was set up and was involved in that process. I have had a long-running relationship with the commission and Dame Susan and I have very much appreciated that.

We have spent quite a lot of time on inflation. On social security, the numbers are going up quite dramatically. It has often been said that if we give more money to people who are less well-off, that will have a secondary effect of boosting the economy, because they will spend the money in local shops on local goods and services. However, when people who are better off have more money, they might spend it abroad or on other things. Does that secondary effect come into the forecasts, or can we not really go that far?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

Absolutely. That is a key point.

The reconciliation of £870 million sounds quite scary. However, previously we thought that we had quite a large reconciliation coming along but it turned out not to be quite as bad as that. Should that make me hopeful that, once again, things will improve, or are things very different this time?