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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

John Mason

That is helpful; thanks. We have already discussed how we can make longer-term decisions so that it is not all about the short term. You have all recognised that that is a problem, but I wonder whether any of you have solutions.

We had the example from New Zealand of civil servants setting out a longer-term plan—not a plan, but the options for a sector. That work is not connected to the minister. That is never done in Scotland, because everything that civil servants do here comes through ministers. Does the New Zealand approach sound feasible, or do you have any other suggestions for how we can get longer-term planning, given that all members of Parliament are elected every five years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

John Mason

Why is that not happening? Are civil servants not incentivised properly?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

John Mason

Training and upskilling have come up previously.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

John Mason

Do you want to come in on that, Dr Turbyne?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

John Mason

The committee has been looking quite a lot at how things work within Government. Today, you are mainly commenting on how Government as a whole relates to you. I was interested in SCVO’s point in its written response that it would be

“helpful for the voluntary sector itself to get a better understanding of how the Scottish Government works and how decisions are indeed taken”,

which is kind of what we are trying to do here. Does it matter to you whether it is civil servants who are the main people who lead on policy, with the minister trailing along behind, or whether, in other cases, it is the minister who drives things and the civil servants trail along behind? Does that impact on you?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

John Mason

That sounds quite good, but that might be easier when it comes to planning, as buildings take a long time to build.

Ms Le Noan, I think that one of your problems relates to year-to-year funding and such things.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

John Mason

Thank you. I would like to ask about something else.

The pandemic has been mentioned, but the witnesses have given slightly different views on their experiences of it. On the whole, SCVO’s view was positive, because you felt that decisions were being made under pressure and that the third sector was maybe being dealt with a bit more fairly, whereas I got the impression from Ms Hughes’ submission that corners were being cut. How do we tie up urgency and better decision making? Mr Greer was talking about urgency earlier. Was the experience during the pandemic positive?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

John Mason

That is all right.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

John Mason

I assume that, due to his area being quite technical, he deals mainly with civil servants and the minister is more in the background. However, perhaps that is not a fair reflection.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

John Mason

That sounds positive. Ms Hughes?