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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

John Mason

If we have time at the end, we will give people a chance to come back in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

I understand that bit, but do you think that civil servants are sometimes reluctant to give frank advice because it will be written down and might come back to haunt them?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

Is that fixed for ever or does is change over time?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

So, the ONS decides that classification, which means that it is very consistent throughout the UK.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

Tied in with that is the issue of churn. Civil servants change quite often, so the minister does not know who they are speaking to, but so do ministers, so the civil servant does not know who they are speaking to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

I will leave it at that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

I saw that she had not said anything so far.

My first question is quite general. Why are some bodies included in the consolidated accounts, while others are not included?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

Continuing on the theme of the speed of decision making, we have, to be frank, had mixed views from different committee witnesses. For example, if we take Covid, some witnesses said that the speed was great—it was quick and decisive and so on—but others, especially from women’s groups, said that it was too fast and that there was not enough consultation. I have to say that I share your experience that, generally, decision making can be quite slow.

We also had evidence from businesses that they make a decision when they are 80 per cent certain about something, while their suggestion was that Government waits until it is 90 per cent, 95 per cent or 99 per cent certain before making a decision. Is it that there has to be a different speed for different decisions or are there principles to follow? How do you get the balance?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

That is helpful, thank you. It is good that we have had evidence from such a wide range of witnesses. We particularly appreciated meeting civil servants at St Andrew’s house, which was a slightly unusual experience for all of us but a very good one. They were very helpful.

On the issue of how transparent advice should be, you mentioned transparency in your opening remarks, and most of us would say that transparency is a great thing. However, some previous civil servants and ministers have said that there can be a bit too much of it. If all the advice is written down, for the sake of transparency, it is very difficult for a civil servant to give confidential advice or to give options in a more general sense. How do you feel that we can get the balance on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

Thank you.

I am a little unclear about what we can cover today. Are the consolidated accounts something that I can raise?