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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

Would you provide that information, say, every quarter or when you reached a significant stage? Would you do that by updating the financial memorandum?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

The whole area of assets and borrowing could also be complex. CIPFA, I think, has raised the question whether—to take an obvious example—a care home that belonged to the council would transfer and, if so, what would happen with the borrowing. After all, most councils will have borrowed to finance such provision, although, in Glasgow, I think that a number of smaller care homes were got rid of in order to build some larger new ones. Would that sort of thing be taken on a case-by-case basis, too?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

It was not made by you; it was made in one of the submissions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

The words “best value” have been used. It appears that £500 million to £1,000 million over the next five years will go into the structure of the new organisation. Is your argument that, if we have that kind of money sitting around, it is not best value to set up a new structure and that it would be better to use that money to increase wages or to improve the existing system?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

Without being too specific, can you say whether Glasgow would, in general, use a prudential framework or whatever to borrow for such developments?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

Some councils, if their care homes were built a while ago, will have paid off the debt, so the asset would not have any debt linked to it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

Ms Wearing, is that issue tied up with the type of legal bodies that we will end up with? You mentioned that in your submission.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

If somebody has a role that is partly health and partly social care, would it depend on how the role was split? If a person moved into the new body, might they not transfer under TUPE if only part of their role was affected?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

I presume that the 32 councils will have slightly different terms and conditions for all the staff concerned, so there would be a lot of work to do if we were going to make them consistent.

Is the concern that those staff might not be able to stay in the local government pension scheme linked to the point about TUPE?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

Would it not be neutral for the pension schemes?