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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 July 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

John Mason

A lot of comparisons and similarities have been drawn between ME and long Covid. To be fair, I think that we have struggled over the years to get a definition of ME, and GPs seem to vary quite a lot in that respect. Is it fair to compare the two?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

John Mason

Professor McCartney, did you want to come in on this question?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

John Mason

I think that highlighting that irony is good evidence, but can I press you on that? Is there any sign of employers now thinking differently? We hear that a lot of employers are struggling to get staff, which suggests that they might be more adaptable to taking on people with long-term conditions and disabilities. Do you think that that is happening?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

John Mason

I want to follow up on some of those points. Tom Waters, you said that the definition of economic activity is well defined and very much agreed on between countries. My understanding is that, to be economically active, you only have to work one hour a week, which surprised me somewhat because I would have thought that one hour a week and zero hours a week were much the same, whereas 35 hours is quite different. Is that correct?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

John Mason

Surely, as far as the economy is concerned, it is much better having somebody working 35 hours a week than one hour a week.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

John Mason

Fair enough. Another issue that has come up is that we count people as in employment but they might be off sick for quite a long time with, say, long Covid in particular, or something else. Would that create a problem in comparing our data with that of other countries or do you think that that is fairly accepted internationally?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

John Mason

That is helpful, thank you. Mr Whyte, do you have any thoughts on any of those points?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

John Mason

Thank you for that extremely helpful and really interesting response.

Ms Fitton, the attitude of employers towards both disability and long Covid comes up a few times in your written evidence. In fact, it says at one point:

“Workers were faced with disbelief and suspicion, with around one-fifth (19 per cent), having their employer question the impact of their symptoms”.

Can you say a little bit more about that? What should we be doing to educate employers, help them or whatever?

10:15  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

John Mason

I am sorry—we are running out of time. However, I think that you have made your point, which is great.

I want to give the final word to Ms Smith, who has also talked about poor treatment at work. Are the backlogs in the NHS affecting people in getting back to work?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

John Mason

We will have to stop now, because I think that we are out of time.