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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

John Mason

Great.

I want to build on what the convener said about the £350 million or so contingency. If that is not required, and if there is underspending elsewhere, is there any danger that we get close to the Scotland reserve figure, which I think is £712 million.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

If you are arguing that there should be one headline indicator, but that it could be better, would free school meals be the one that you would be inclined to go for?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

I take your point that it is not perfect. There is the whole issue of stigma, too, with some families who are probably entitled to free school meals not actually claiming them.

You might also have two families, both of whom are on relatively low incomes. In the first household—and this, in my experience, is often the case with people from, say, an African background—the parents are very committed to education, are really supporting their kids and really want them to do well. Even if the parents have not done so well and are struggling a bit financially, those kids will have the huge advantage of getting all that support from their parents. The second household might not have two parents, say, and there might be no commitment to education at all. Those are the kids whom I feel that we need to be targeting, and I just wonder how we bring them into the system.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

Fair enough.

Let me see if I am understanding this correctly: in a better off area, there might be fewer kids from a deprived background, but the school can focus on them and give them extra support. There are parts of my constituency, though, where everyone in the whole area—or at least part of it—is struggling, which makes things very difficult for the school. Is that a picture that you recognise? It pulls me back to the idea that physical SIMD areas provide a good measure, because that will be reflected in the schools. Am I being unfair?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

You said that no institution is immune to the issues. Earlier, we talked about how there is quite a big difference between universities. One of the differences is that the University of Edinburgh has reserves of some £2 billion, and the University of Glasgow has about £1 billion, whereas Glasgow Caledonian University and the University of the West of Scotland have very little in comparison. The University of Edinburgh could run for 15 years with a deficit of £140 million and still be stable, so I struggle to understand why it is making anyone redundant. Obviously, you cannot speak for that university, but is it not the case that we have some very rich universities that do not need support and some poorer universities that need more support?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

Ms McPherson spoke about a basket of measures. I have also asked the commissioner this question. Is there a danger that, if the measures become too wide and, in a sense, too individual, it will be very hard to see whether we are making progress because there are so many factors to consider? The SIMD is pretty clear cut. It gives us a clear measure and we know how we are doing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

Would you stick with the SIMD as the galvanising measure? Should it be free school meals or something else?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

Ms Rohmer, you talked about rural areas, which are such big areas that there are bits in poverty and bits that are better off. Is it not the case that a poorer family in a better-off area will tend to get more support and care, whereas a family or an individual who lives in an area where everybody is deprived, such as parts of the east end of Glasgow, for example, will find it much more difficult to access care because there is so much need?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

Mr Dunphy, we are talking about trying to make the whole system more individualised to target where need is greatest. I made the point to the commissioner that, sometimes, there are two families or households that appear to be in similar financial situations, but in one, there is great cohesion and real commitment to education from the adults, and in the other, there is not. Can we get to a stage where we target the support to the individual or student who needs it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

Thanks very much.