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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

At the moment, the target is based on SIMD20.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

That is great—that is helpful.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

I do not want to go over the same issue again and again, but it seems to me that the problems with data sharing are not just to do with education—they exist across the board. During the Covid pandemic, we were told in the COVID-19 Committee that Scotland has some of the best data in the world but that researchers and people cannot access it. When I deal with individual constituents in my casework, I keep coming up against the barrier that organisations will not talk to me because they are so terrified of sharing something that they should not share. I do not know whether you can answer this, but is there a wider problem with the general data protection regulation? Has it gone too far?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

I will pursue that with someone else. I will find the right person.

There have been a lot of arguments against using SIMD as a measure. I quite like it because it is clear cut—you can draw a line on a map. I take other members’ points that there are poorer people who are not in the SIMD20 areas and there are richer people who are, but the measure is quite clear cut. It keeps a focus on the wider areas, such as my constituency in the east end of Glasgow, where it is clearly not just one or two families who are in deprivation; it is a lot of people. As has often been said, a poorer household will do better in a better-off area than a poorer household that is surrounded by other poorer households.

Should we continue to use SIMD but add in other factors as well? I think that that is where the commissioner was going last week—that we should still use SIMD as a headline measure but bring in more factors.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

Pam Duncan-Glancy has covered quite a lot of what I was going to ask about.

In the SFC written submission, you say that you “target investment”; indeed, you have touched on some of that already. You have also mentioned the two universities that I was going to mention—Glasgow Caledonian University and the University of the West of Scotland. The fact is that some universities—in the north-east, for example—do not have so many SIMD20 areas to take into account, and we have heard evidence that the heavy lifting is being done by other universities, especially those around Glasgow. Do you think that the balance is correct? You said that there is extra funding, but the core funding is still the same for each place, wherever the university is, is it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

Fine—I will let you off just now, but I want to pursue the issue, because I have been thinking about it. Thank you very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

Another factor came up in our discussion with the Scottish Funding Council: just because of the volume of poorer households in a place such as Glasgow, we find that Glasgow Caledonian University and the University of the West of Scotland are doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Is it your view that they are getting enough support to do that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

We have had a discussion about other measures, and my colleagues might want to go into that space. I assume that you are working on SIMD20 at the moment, but are you looking more widely?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

Are you picking up that colleges and universities are struggling to do that because of financial pressures? We have had evidence that they would like to do more of that kind of thing, but that they just do not have the finances, partly because the fees have not gone up over the years.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

On a slightly different angle, Miles Briggs referred to the session that we had on Monday evening, with two groups. I was in a different group to Miles; our group was with ethnic minority young people, discussing how they had got on in getting to university. One of the themes that arose was the complex landscape. They had struggled to get information about getting to university. That is partly an issue because they arrived during their secondary schooling—they were not at their school from secondary 1 all the way through. Some of them did not know that they could go to university via college; they thought that they just had to have multiple highers to get there. Guidance teachers might not have been aware of graduate apprenticeships. The students we met were very able, and some of them had worked out what to do and then told their guidance teachers.

Do you have any thoughts on that? Is that part of the problem?