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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

In an answer to the convener, you said that people should not be told that they cannot have treatment because of the cost. However, is that not just life? We cannot have more roads because of the cost, we cannot have more houses because of the cost and we have waiting lists in the NHS because of the cost. We are limited, as a nation and as individuals, by how much money we have. Surely there has to come a point at which there is just no money for someone’s hip replacement or whatever else they need.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

I accept that it is not a huge amount out of the total Scottish budget. Unfortunately, however, that is said about a lot of things. Our colleague Liz Smith wants children to be able to go to outdoor centres, which is an extremely good idea but would cost another £30 million or £40 million. All those things add up and, somehow, we have to prioritise. Assuming that the £28 million or £38 million would come from the health budget, is it your argument that the provisions in the bill should be a higher priority than, say, hip replacements? If people were to wait a bit longer for hip replacements, would that be okay because we would be putting the money into this?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

I agree with all of that, and I am sure that the lead committee will be looking at that specific issue. However, we are looking at the money. You have said that I will disagree with your suggestion, but let us hear your suggestion as to where the £38 million will come from.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

Well, given that that money—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

Still on the money and on the comment that £1 that is spent today could save £4 in the future, it has been suggested that that would not be a saving, given how much pressure there is on the justice and health systems. It would just relieve some of the pressure, so there would, in fact, not be any saving.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

I do not think that we will see that money coming back, but I take your point that it will relieve the pressure.

Finally, you want the bill to be put into law. It seems to have become a habit of the Government and others to put things into law but then not achieve them. What happens if we put the bill into law and targets are not met? Would a Government minister go to prison?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

Could you talk us through some of the figures and the percentages? I find them interesting, but I am not sure that I have fully got my head around them.

Paragraph 54 of the financial memorandum says that 31 per cent of

“referrals to community-based services were discharged before starting treatment”

and that of those

“79.3% (2,459) were discharged and recorded as treatment incomplete”

Various reasons are given for that. As I understand it, you hope to dig into the remaining 24 per cent of all treatment referrals and cut that percentage down. Is that broadly where you are going?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

Fair enough.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

Is that another area on which we do not have data? In my limited experience, addiction has a really powerful hold on people. Some people might say, today, “Yes, I’d like to get off drugs,” but the grip on them is so strong that they do not continue with treatment.