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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Graeme Dey

Twice already, minister, you have given us comfort in relation to the issues that were raised with the committee around some of the language in the document, and have shown willingness to revisit some of that language so that it is more precise and prescriptive where it needs to be. You have also talked about the need to ensure that local authorities have the right flexibility where they need it and that the language reflects that wriggle room.

In practice, how do your officials intend to explore with planners what needs to be changed and what needs to be left as is? Is that work already under way?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Graeme Dey

Thank you for that. I think that that answers the question.

My second question is on the resource, both financial and human, for dealing with the undoubted increase in demand that NPF4 will place on planning authorities. We have heard about councils making resource cuts to planning departments in excess of 40 per cent since 2009, and in some instances that has left departments struggling to cope with present demand, let alone the additional demands that will come with the ambitions that are—rightly—in NPF4. We will come on to the financial aspect in a moment, but the fact is that you cannot suddenly magic up hundreds of additional planners. Do you recognise as legitimate the concern that has been expressed? If so, where is the Government in its consideration of how it might be addressed?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Graeme Dey

Parliament and its committees are very good at calling on the Government to listen to the views of stakeholders and of Parliament, which is as it should be. I am heartened by what I have heard today about the on-going work that is part of the process. You have talked about engagement on equalities issues and about the work that has gone on and that is still to be done on the delivery plan. You have committed to further engagement with the committee. We have also heard about a great deal of work that is going on with multiple stakeholders. Given all the laudable effort that is still going on to get this right, is the timetable for bringing a completed NPF4 to Parliament for confirmation by the summer realistic?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Graeme Dey

Just to be absolutely clear, and for the record, is the plea that, in that context, the word “may” should be replaced by “shall” or “must” in every instance in the draft, or are witnesses suggesting that there may be some areas in which retaining that vagueness would be welcome?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Graeme Dey

My question is for Pam Ewen. The written evidence from HOPS suggested that delivering on the ambitions of NPF4 would require a significant culture change. Can you expand on that? Might that culture change extend to councils’ attitude towards planning? There was a reference a few moments ago to budgets having been cut by 43 per cent. Such a budget cut would be well in excess of any change in the budget settlement that the Scottish Government gives to councils. Should there be an attitudinal change in councils about the significance of the planning service?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Graeme Dey

My second question is about some of the submissions that the committee has received in which concern has been raised about the wording of national planning policies on issues such as 20-minute neighbourhoods, community wealth building, carbon emissions and human rights. The assertion is that the wording is insufficiently clear for decision-making purposes. Do the witnesses agree with that? Is it more about the language that is used or is it the substance of what is being said that is the problem?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Graeme Dey

I will just throw it open.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Graeme Dey

My first question is about the changing nature of national planning policy as a consequence of NPF4, where we see an increased focus on issues of place, liveability, wellbeing, and emissions reduction. I am interested in whether the witnesses think that the existing planning system is set up in a cultural and practical sense to deliver on the outcomes and, of course, the changes that are going to be needed.

Do you want me to ask my second question now, convener, or shall I come to that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Graeme Dey

Thank you, convener. I am not aware of any interests that have not already been declared in my entry in the register of members’ interests.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Graeme Dey

Thank you.