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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Graeme Dey

My point is that we are six years on and progress has been glacial.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Graeme Dey

Absolutely, and you articulate that very well.

Just to go back to my earlier exchange with Councillor Buchanan, I have to say that delivering local is not working in that regard, is it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Graeme Dey

I want you to assess the merits and risks of the frameworky—as Fraser McKinlay termed it—nature of the proposal, set against the merits and risks of coming at the matter from a different direction. That would mean not including children’s services in the framework bill, doing the research and consultation, and then, at a future date, if we decided to bring children’s services into the equation, we would have to dovetail that with what I presume will be the national adult care service. What are the merits and risks of those two approaches, set against each other?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Graeme Dey

Those are all valid points, but the problem predates the pandemic.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Graeme Dey

Mike Burns talked earlier about an evolution taking place in the delivery of services and rights. The Carers (Scotland) Act 2016 required the provision of short breaks for carers, yet, six years on, we are being told that only 3 per cent of unpaid carers receive statutory support for breaks from caring. Section 38 of the bill has the potential to address that for carers in general, and for young carers specifically. Given the rate of progress so far, is that not essential to support a group of young people who, by and large, have a pretty tough time of it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Graeme Dey

But the practical implications of doing it the other way are quite obvious as well.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Graeme Dey

I want to come back to something that you have said, but other witnesses might want to answer my question first.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Graeme Dey

I have been encouraged by the fact that our witnesses have avoided lapsing into the mantra, “If only you gave us more money, everything would be right.” That is very welcome. I was worried that that might not be the case after I read the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities submission.

I also welcome the acknowledgement that you have all made that things are not perfect and that there is room for improvement. An area that I suspect we would all agree has imperfections is the transition from young people’s services to adult services. How do we solve that long-standing issue if not through having a fully integrated national care service? If the issues in certain localities are to do with culture and approach and with not picking up on best practice, or stubbornly ignoring it, how on earth do we bring about improvement?

Is there not a logic to having children’s services captured by a national care service when there has to be that read-across from children’s services into adult services through the transition?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Graeme Dey

However, that is where the problems currently exist. How can we bring about improvement? You are right to focus on the positive examples, but, with the best will in the world, we all know that there are negative examples as well. I go back to my original question. How do we fix that if not through changing the structures and the approach?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Graeme Dey

However, that has not happened everywhere.