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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 November 2024
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Graeme Dey

As I understand it, the process must take place once every two years. Is there a retrospective element of the process that involves reflecting on what you have delivered and on what you will change? Is that information then made available for parents or anyone else to read?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Graeme Dey

How do the other two councils approach the matter? It sounds as though no formal process is followed.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Graeme Dey

Okay. We probably have to agree to disagree on that point.

Moving on to the college funding model, I am interested in exploring the viability of that model in the long term and just how serious the position is for Scotland’s colleges. None of us would want to see the colleges in Scotland get into the financial mess that many colleges in England have got into. How viable is the funding model in the long term?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Graeme Dey

So, accepting, as you have just recognised, that that was a one-off, is it not inaccurate to talk of a £51.9 million cut in the budget? The £23.9 million figure is much more accurate, is it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Graeme Dey

I want to follow up on that. In previous evidence taking, we have explored the fact that up to 70 per cent of some colleges’ spend is on staff. I want to get the SFC’s view on that, given its overview of educational spend. Do you think that that is an appropriate position for colleges to find themselves in, compared with the position in universities and schools? Is that level of spend on wages justified? Are you comfortable with that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Graeme Dey

I am talking specifically about where there is like-for-like provision. There would be a multiplier attached to that £2,500.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Graeme Dey

What is the view of the SFC?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Graeme Dey

I am seeking to get two points of clarification from Karen Watt.

First, you indicated earlier that, in determining the level of funding that universities enjoy, you take account of the additional overheads—their cost base. Do you also take account of their ability to generate income from other sources? I see that you are nodding your head, so I will take that as a yes. I am sure that you see the point that I am getting at: colleges do not enjoy the same opportunity.

Secondly, if you were to arrive at a decision that the funding per student should be the same for colleges as for universities where there is like-for-like provision, what would that be worth to colleges? Can you give us a ballpark figure?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Graeme Dey

Could you write to us on that, to give us a sense of what difference that would make?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Graeme Dey

I want to pick up on the issue of pay harmonisation. It strikes me that, particularly in the early days of mergers and regionalisation, a considerable amount of work was done, and a lot of money was expended, on bringing pay levels into line. That legacy issue has had a substantial effect.

To what extent has pay harmonisation contributed to the financial difficulties that the colleges now face?