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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

It had been thought at one point that that could be done only through primary legislation, but we are trying to exhaust other possibilities that might allow us to do that. I cannot go into too much detail at the moment, but I want to reassure you that we are looking at every possible avenue to be able to deploy those measures.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

We have invested time in considering some of the other measures that have been talked about, such as the child payment and free school meals, but we always come back to the data-sharing restrictions that we face. I wish that it were otherwise, to be honest.

I reassure you that we are constantly considering whether there is some way of making the unique learner number happen. I am happy to continue to update the committee on that, beyond this inquiry.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

I am not sure that I entirely understand the question. That NUSS report said, in essence, that we should put more money into student support. Are you suggesting that there is a way to ensure that it reaches those students who most need it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

Absolutely.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

The table that the Scottish Parliament information centre produced for the committee is clear that pretty much everyone is doing their bit. The commissioner’s ask for individual targets is a good one, because some universities have easily got to where they have got to and can go beyond but, for others, there are additional challenges.

I should have said earlier that we are waiting for a formal response from Universities Scotland, but we understand that the university sector is agreeable to the approach that the commissioner has suggested, and we will be looking to take that forward as quickly as we can.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

There had been extensive discussions with the University of Dundee in particular about its challenges, and directly with the SFC on a regular basis. I met the new—that is, the current—leadership of the university directly several weeks ago. It was appropriate to do so, as they had reached the point where they were beginning to articulate some of the challenges to the staff. Discussions with the University of Dundee were taking place. However, as I have said, the £15 million figure was predicated on a financial transactions underspend—those were the available moneys.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

I did not say that, Mr Rennie. I take you back to what I said earlier about the relationship between the SFC—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

In the first instance, we need to know whether we can introduce this. That is the starting point, and that is what we are working through currently. As I have said to you on a number of occasions, the reason for its not being introduced is not, as some of your witnesses articulated last week, to do with resource and cost. That is not at the forefront of our thinking; our thinking is on how we can get to the point at which it might be possible to introduce the measure, because we absolutely get the merits of it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

Mr Mason’s point is well made and I understand it. As a constituency MSP, I understand his frustrations.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

The SFC has been doing a piece of work on the sustainability of institutions in order to get that broader picture and to ascertain whether any other institutions are in a similar position to the University of Dundee. I think the SFC has a sense that there are no others, but that is not to say that our institutions are not facing challenges, because it is a UK-wide problem. The most recent figure that I saw was that 70 universities across the UK are implementing cuts of between 10 and 15 per cent in response to those challenges. That piece of work is there.

As I said to the committee before, if there are any lessons to be learned from what has happened at Dundee—a report is being written about how that came about—then there will be an opportunity within the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill to look at governance. Part of that governance may involve enhancing the SFC’s powers in order to improve its oversight, because, essentially, the SFC’s information is only as good as what is reported to it. If there is anything—and I stress the “if”—we are certainly open to looking at how we can better equip the SFC, if that is necessary, to have a clearer picture of what is happening within institutions.