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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Kevin Stewart

I have not come across anyone who is against the general principles of the bill. However, as the bill stands at the moment, there is a real fear about unintended consequences. I believe that some folk want to have time to feed in their concerns so that we get any amendments right.

My concern is that it is very late in the day in this parliamentary session, and I do not know whether we are going to do justice to the folks who have concerns, given the time that is required. I get Ms Lennon’s point about the 14-week consultation that ran from November 2023, but she knows as well as I do that folk sometimes do not come forward at initial consultations because they do not see how something will impact them, just as I do not think that the planners realised how much the bill could impact them until they got that letter.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Kevin Stewart

I said that it was a point of clarification.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Kevin Stewart

We cannot have points of order in committee. I read the standing orders, which I am very prone to do. [Laughter.]

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Kevin Stewart

The SFF has suggested that the bill as drafted creates a huge amount of legal uncertainty. Are you willing, at a future stage, to accept amendments that will provide a defence for operators of permitted, licensed or consented activities?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Kevin Stewart

You mentioned the RRA. It provides for certain defences. Do you not think that your bill should act in a similar manner in that regard?

The fear and legal uncertainty that some organisations express is not necessarily because they think that they are doing anything wrong at the moment that would lead to ecocide but because some future scientific discovery might show that something that they did over a long period might have caused difficulties. Those folks are quite worried about the unknowns. That is a genuine worry; it is not a blockage for the sake of blockage.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Kevin Stewart

It is not great that we are dealing with the LCM in this manner and that, once again, the UK Government seems to be riding roughshod over devolved competences. It would be much better overall if this was an independent Parliament deciding on this as a whole, as an international signatory—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Kevin Stewart

This is a Parliament—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Kevin Stewart

I am sorry convener, but this is a Parliament and we have politics—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Kevin Stewart

I am suggesting, convener, that you should point out to me where, under standing orders, you feel that my question is inappropriate.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Kevin Stewart

We will come to consenting bodies, including planning authorities, in a little while, but first I am asking about the operator viewpoints. We heard from the likes of NFU Scotland, the Scottish Fishermen’s Federation and others that they have concerns about the fact that the bill could cover activities that have been consented to, permitted or licensed. Perhaps we could deal with the operators first, if you do not mind, and then we can come to the individual consenting bodies.