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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-Legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Kevin Stewart

Convener, I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests, which states that I am a member of Unison Scotland.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-Legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Kevin Stewart

I will probably come back to you on that. I can see that Graeme Cook is dying to come in, but I will go to Peter Hunter next.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-Legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Kevin Stewart

The nub of the matter is that the 2014 act has made some good changes. We can see that. However, certain aspects of the matter are not necessarily about changes to legislation or regulation. We have a number of organisations that did not exist before. Scotland Excel is huge now, compared with what it used to be. We have other organisations in the centre of excellence. The frustrating thing for many—it comes back to my playing devil’s advocate—is the question whether the process is too weighted towards the lawyers and the accountants making decisions or whether we are listening to all.

The most frustrating thing of all is when we know that there is good practice—which is good for human beings, as we have heard—but we also know that we are not exporting that good practice and ensuring that we are getting the best that we possibly can from contracts to deliver for people and give folk the flexibility and autonomy that we have talked about before. Graeme Cook said that it is often driven by budgets, and the reality is that getting it right for people in terms of whole-life costs could save us a lot of money, because, in addition to the human cost, crisis costs us a lot of money. How do we export best practice?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-Legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Kevin Stewart

Graeme Cook, how can we get best practice exported?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-Legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Kevin Stewart

We have talked about the ambition that there is in Scotland, but something that frustrates me a lot is that we do not export best practice. We do not pick up the good practice that works for people and export it across the board. You talked about the framework standards being high for care and all the rest, but why are the lessons learned from the Granite Care Consortium and the good practice there not being built into your frameworks and tendering documents?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Kevin Stewart

Melanie Mackenzie mentioned what sounds like continuous improvement in trying to get procurement right. Would it be fair to say that all your authorities are doing similar work? Yes or no.

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Kevin Stewart

My question has been answered, convener.

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Kevin Stewart

Lynette—yes or no?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Kevin Stewart

Grand.

I will go back to the commentary—I think that it came from Craig Fergusson—about national frameworks and value for money. I have a general question about Scotland Excel. What are your feelings about that contract? Are they good, bad or indifferent?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Kevin Stewart

I apologise for being a bit late today

I will concentrate on some of the things that others have said about bureaucracy during the course of the inquiry. A lot of folk have said that things work well until the lawyers and accountants get involved in the tendering process. I apologise to any lawyers or accountants who are here.

In my council experience, which is a while back now, I definitely saw aversion to risk, especially in my early years, before the formation of the Aberdeen city and shire joint procurement unit. Do the aversion to risk and the bureaucracy still exist, or have they lessened over the years?