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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

However, we had better not get into that.

I now want to concentrate on opportunity. All our witnesses have said that there are really good examples of initiatives that work. You are all involved in organisations that have helped people aspire to and achieve their goals.

The young folk to whom we have talked in the course of our inquiry are also pretty fair, in that they have told us both what has and what has not worked for them. I have to say that Project Search was seen as a real boon by some of the folk that we talked to from The Usual Place, including those who had not had the opportunity of working with it. However, many of the young folk saw education as being poor, with college seen as a bit of a tick-box exercise. At the same time, though, I know of schools and colleges that go the extra mile to ensure that young folk with learning disabilities and neurodivergent folk have an immense start.

What do we need to do to ensure that best practice is exported right across the board? I am sure that you will tell me that the approach should be about not just legislation or regulation but people. What are we not doing to get best practice happening in certain places? Perhaps Alan Thornburrow could start this time.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

Angela, do you want to comment on how we get rid of those perceptions?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

My final question basically requires a yes or no answer—I think that I can guess which one it will be. There has been a lot of talk about the difficulties with the access to work system. It sounds as though it is very clunky and bureaucratic and that it does not take into account individuals’ needs. Do those who are involved in the access to work system need to listen to the voices of lived experience—whether they be employees or employers—in order to shape a more personalised system that would work much better for all? What do you think—yes or no?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

Good morning. I will not keep you too long, because I know that you have been grilled for quite some time this morning.

I want to concentrate on some points that have already been made. Chirsty McFadyen talked about what is in the minds of folks in terms of employers, and Angela Matthews talked about perceptions.

How do we change folks’ minds and employers’ minds? How do we get rid of the perceptions that exist around employing disabled people? What should we do in order to get the voices of lived experience in all that, so that people—employers or employees—can give their positive experiences about work?

Since I mentioned you first, Chirsty, maybe you would like to answer first.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

I have been talking about Project Search for quite some time, and we know quite a bit about it, so you do not need to go into depth, but the quote would be useful.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

Thank you. Vikki, the last time that I was out with one of your FSB colleagues in my patch in Aberdeen, one of the businesses that we went to was the Bread Maker, which has an immense reputation. It employs a lot of disabled people, and people know that, which I think is very good for the business. The fact that the Bread Maker is such a good employer, along with the quality of its products, attracts a lot of folk.

How does the FSB highlight the major advantages that employing disabled people can bring?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

That is pretty loud and clear on that front. I thank you all for your time this morning.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

Heather Fisken, are the voices of lived experience extremely important in helping to eradicate some of those perceptions?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

I am interested that you said “short term” there because Project Search in Aberdeen does not seem short term to me. Obviously, the job opportunity in the university is short term and it involves changed roles, but the key thing is that a large majority of folk go into employment and retain employment. That is not short term to me.