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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Kevin Stewart
That is the bottom line. To take folk with us, we have to get that message across, without a doubt.
I am interested in the fact that lots of folk have spoken about vision. Dr Dixon talked about consensus and the fact that there has been consensus in this place. However, I think that that consensus is disappearing and that, in the next session, this might be a very different place when it comes to such discussions. Where does logic, rather than vision, fit into our communication?
Professor Roy, your mic is still on, so let us go to you first.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Kevin Stewart
So, you are basically saying that, because things will inevitably change, the plan must be a living document that can change as we achieve certain things and discover that we are unable to achieve certain other things, and that we must communicate that to the public, if we are going to be logical about all of this.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Kevin Stewart
Does anyone else want to come in on the idea of the plan as a living document and how we communicate that?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Kevin Stewart
Does anyone else want to come in?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Kevin Stewart
I agree that we will not always get consensus—it would be nice if we all reached logical positions, but, in today’s world, the chance of that is going out the window.
I turn to the issue of effective oversight. We have discussed what our successor committee should do and what the Parliament should do. I would extend that beyond this committee, because climate change is a thread that runs right through Government, and every committee has an obligation to scrutinise that. How can independent bodies provide oversight for climate policy over the course of the next parliamentary session? What needs to be done to achieve effective oversight?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Kevin Stewart
Does anyone else want to come in? I see that Professor Roy’s mic has come on.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Kevin Stewart
I will leave it there. Thank you, convener.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Kevin Stewart
I want to come back to Ms Wharmby. You said earlier that providing granular cost and benefit assessments is almost impossible, and yet, just a few minutes ago, you wanted an assessment of costs and benefits for every single household, taking into account whether they have a car or not. Which is it? In your opinion, are granular cost and benefit assessments impossible or possible?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Kevin Stewart
To go back to Dr Dixon’s point about some things being “vague”, it seems that this is all a bit vague. That is, I think, one of the reasons why you said earlier, Ms Wharmby, that granular costs and benefits assessments are almost impossible.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Kevin Stewart
Again, I come back to Dr Dixon’s earlier point—you can feel free to come in as well, Dr Dixon—that, with a lot of the assumptions that could be and may have been made, folk will think, “Well, that’s not right.” Again, arguments galore will come into play if we are as granular as some folk want us to be. Is it fair to say that?