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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 January 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Neil Bibby

—because these are very serious issues that relate to the budget and which must have proper scrutiny.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Neil Bibby

Good morning, Mr Munro and Mr Evans. I have a question that follows on from Stephen Kerr’s about the expected moneys received by organisations and the average uplift.

An average increase of 34 per cent means that some increases could be significantly more than that and some could be significantly less. Are you able to provide the committee with the full breakdown of all the moneys that were asked for and received so that we can have a look at the impact? Obviously, the size of the organisation will also be a factor. If that was possible, it would be helpful to give us a greater understanding of the concern that exists.

I see nods, so I take it that the answer is a yes.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Neil Bibby

Thank you very much. That is helpful.

A related point is the effort to maximise the number of organisations that receive such financial assistance. I think that you said, Mr Munro, that there was a conscious effort to maximise the number of organisations in receipt of moneys from Creative Scotland. Was it a recent decision to do that? When in the process was that decision to try to maximise the number of organisations made?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Neil Bibby

I understand what you have said, convener. Clearly, Historic Environment Scotland is in receipt of significant public funds, and it has given evidence for the committee’s pre-budget scrutiny. The cabinet secretary has said that he is happy to answer any follow-up questions. I understand, convener, that you have made a ruling, and I will not challenge it, but I assume that the cabinet secretary will also be willing to make himself available to come back and discuss the matter with the committee in the very near future—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Neil Bibby

I note that the cabinet secretary will seek to meet the chief executive of STV; I also ask that he hold an urgent meeting with the National Union of Journalists on this issue to discuss the importance of protecting these jobs and mitigating these cuts.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Neil Bibby

Clearly, it is a challenging period. You have to put measures in place and make efficiency savings in your organisation. Money is tight, and you have a considerable number of staff—around 1,800. With all of that in mind, why did HES agree a new pay and grading framework in April that will see a new top grade of employee, presumably directors, who will have their earnings potentially increased by between 16 and 18 per cent? If the organisation is looking for efficiency savings, why is the organisation introducing that top band?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Neil Bibby

Good morning to the panel. I, too, have some specific questions on the budget for Ms Turnbull. As a committee, our job is to scrutinise the Government’s financial decisions and the financial performance of bodies that rely on Government funding. That is even more the case when there are calls on the Government to increase that funding. The last time that HES gave evidence to the committee, we heard about the new business model and the plans to increase its income by £10 million while, at the same time, experiencing a reduction of £2 million in its grant-in-aid funding. You mentioned income. How is HES currently getting on with that target of raising an extra £10 million in income?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Neil Bibby

It would be helpful if you could come back to us with the details. You are having to manage a significant shortfall.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Neil Bibby

That would be very helpful.

This is my last question on pay and financial planning. I understand that, in June 2024, HES budgeted for a 2 per cent increase in pay despite the Scottish Government having set out a public sector pay policy just two months before that suggested an increase of 3 per cent in the public sector. Is that correct? Is that your understanding? What does it say about your organisation’s financial planning if it is not adhering to the Scottish Government’s pay policy?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Neil Bibby

That would be helpful as we scrutinise the budget. It would also be very helpful to understand the position that HES is in. My understanding is that there is currently a £3 million shortfall in reaching that target.