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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 February 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Neil Bibby

You said that there was a new chair, but otherwise it was the same board that made a different decision in a short period of time.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Neil Bibby

You will not generalise about whether you have confidence in the board of Historic Environment Scotland.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Neil Bibby

Perhaps the reason why the cabinet secretary chose his words carefully about having confidence in the board is that it is difficult for a cabinet secretary or anyone to say that they have confidence in people if they have not actually met them. Of course, you have not—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Neil Bibby

At the last committee meeting on 6 November, I asked you to what extent you were reassured by Historic Environment Scotland on its financial planning. You replied

“No specific issues with financial management have been raised with me.” —[Official Report, Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee, 6 November 2025; c 23.]

Since then, the Audit Scotland section 22 report has found

“weaknesses in financial management arrangements for electronic purchasing cards, expenses and hospitality.”

Do you stand by what you said on 6 November?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Neil Bibby

Is that sufficient?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Neil Bibby

I know many David Martins.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Neil Bibby

Thank you.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Neil Bibby

Good morning. This is obviously a total mess and I do not think that anyone comes out of it well. The fact that we have had 171 days without an accountable officer in the organisation is astonishing.

Cabinet secretary, you stated earlier and you note in the timeline that the board suspended the chief executive officer on 5 September. On 2 October, the CEO emailed the Scottish Government and HES requesting a return to work. Thirteen days later, on 15 October, the chair and board approved the request for the CEO to return to HES. That seems quite a short turnaround. For clarity, what procedures were followed to lift that suspension? Had an internal investigation been concluded in that time?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Neil Bibby

The chair changed, but the other board members remained the same, and there was a very quick turnaround in the decision made by the board.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Neil Bibby

You have high trust in and respect for Mark Jones as the chair of the board.