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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Willie Rennie

Beyond the department?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Willie Rennie

Thank you for coming—[Interruption.]

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Willie Rennie

You are the experts. You are the people who know the sector inside out. Despite all the warning signs going off everywhere, you took the university’s assurances. Surely, if you are the experts, you should have challenged it much more robustly, particularly on the long-term exposure on research and on the volatile African market. Did your team not question the university on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Willie Rennie

What about students from the rest of the UK?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Willie Rennie

My next question is about alternatives, because your staff say that there is a different way forward. You have set out this morning, principal, that £49 million will be required in one way or another. The bulk of what you do requires staff, so the main costs are for them. Is there any way of avoiding the 632-plus figure—whatever the actual number is—in any staff reduction? Is an alternative possible? When you say that you are interested in alternatives, are you really?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Willie Rennie

It sounds quite threatening when you say that the university might not exist. Is that the kind of approach that we should adopt?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Willie Rennie

We know that you are restricted in what you can say, but my concern is that, in a year’s time, we may be back here with another institution—perhaps not in exactly the same circumstances—and that you will regret not raising the alarm to ministers about the current funding model. Although you are restricted in what you can say, you know exactly what is going on in our institutions, and we all know that the threats and headwinds are enormous.

My concern is that everybody is tiptoeing around this when, in fact, we need to have an open discussion about a more sustainable model, because if we carry on as we are, we may end up with more cases that are not exactly like Dundee, but are pretty much like it—and the workers who lose their jobs will feel exactly the same as those in Dundee. So, if you are not prepared to tell us the exact situation today, I hope that you are telling ministers in private, because they need to fully understand the consequences of their inaction. I do not expect an answer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Willie Rennie

How close is Dundee to collapse?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Willie Rennie

If the 632 full-time equivalent jobs do not go, do you think that the university will collapse?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Willie Rennie

Before you do that, I want to say that the warning signs about the whole sector have been there for a long time. Various reports have noted concerns about the rise of international students, the volatility of the market, the fact that we get more money from international students than we do from domestic students and the falling returns from the research excellence funding at UK level.

All the signs were there. The fundamentals for the whole sector have been very weak for a long time. It was only a matter of time before it led to risky behaviours in institutions, and we have seen that happen in Dundee.

Were you speaking with this intensity not just to the University of Dundee but to all the institutions about their funding arrangements?