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The change of tone was interesting. You got really passionate about the issues that you face. It is encouraging that that is where your passion is.

What do the proposals for reform do to the individual staff members that you work alongside? Are those staff worried about their jobs? Are they worried about what their position will be? If they are already running a service, are they worried that they might not be doing that any more? What does that do for tackling the issues that you have just spoken about passionately? Perhaps Mike Burns could answer that.

Tony, have you come across staff members who are crying out for this change?

I have a nice, simple question to start off with. Is it essential to centralise the service—create a national care service—in order to deliver a human rights approach?

I have a short follow-up question. Do you know of people in your organisations or people you work with who demand, argue for or campaign for a national care service to deliver that approach?

You highlight the fact that, of course, you are all talking about change—Mike Burns just talked about trying to up the spend on prevention versus other spend—and you are constantly changing, but is it structural change that staff are crying out for?

Are staff in private and voluntary sector nurseries leaving because they are not getting paid enough? Is capacity in that sector reducing?

I will start with a question to Wendy Brownlie about funding and pay rates for staff. Why are staff in private and voluntary sector nurseries paid so much less than those in council nurseries?

Carrie Lindsay, do you think that that is fair? Have you seen staff leaving the private and voluntary sector?

I have a couple of brief questions about the fee rates for two-year-olds versus those for three and four-year-olds. Some councils, including Argyll and Bute Council, pay a different rate, because they recognise the different ratios and requirements that are determined for two-year-olds. However, some councils, such as Fife Council, offer exactly the same rate for two-year-olds as they do for three and four-year-olds. Why is there no differential in Fife?

I have one more question. Why are we so terrible at getting two-year-olds to take up their provision?