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Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Willie Rennie
I will come to Laura Pasternak in a second, because I want to ask her an additional question. Mr Bermingham, what do you think?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Willie Rennie
So, you do not think that that is happening.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Willie Rennie
I think that we are saying the same thing.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Willie Rennie
My concern is that if we improve the offer, including by offering independent advocacy, there might be a danger that we will end up back in the same place because the overall provision will not be sufficient and people will have to say that they are in crisis in order to get even a basic level of support. Do you not fear that that might be the case? Does that make sense?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Willie Rennie
Duncan Dunlop, I will direct my questions towards you. You have expressed your frustration—verging on anger—about how things have progressed. I would quite like to know what we should do next. We will be considering stage 2 amendments—we will not be able to go back to the beginning; we have to deal with the bill before us. I would like you to set out, from your experience in England and here, precisely what you think that we should do. You might not have all the answers now, so perhaps you could make a submission later. We get how frustrated you are, but what do we do next?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Willie Rennie
Okay. Laura Pasternak, I was struck by what you said earlier. You thought that there might be circumstances in which young people were encouraged to stay in crisis in order to access, in this case, independent advocacy. That is what you feared might happen.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Willie Rennie
I have heard of instances where that is happening and where young people have been encouraged to say that they continue to be in crisis, in order to access the level of support that they need, with the idea being that they will be back in crisis again if they do not say that. Are you saying that that is not happening?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Willie Rennie
I am not advocating for that to be the case. I am saying that, because services are so underfunded and staff are so stretched, young people have to say that they continue to be in crisis or they will otherwise get nothing. That is my point.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Willie Rennie
You have not come across that.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Willie Rennie
If services are so stretched that they are available only to those who are in the most extreme circumstances, could we be promising something as an early intervention only to see it becoming a crisis provision?