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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Willie Rennie

There is clearly an indication that those individuals knew for some time that there was an issue, because they were instantly prepared to tell the new interim director that there were problems. I wonder where those alarm bells were rung and why the problems were not brought to you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Willie Rennie

That was well before the challenge was brought in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Willie Rennie

You have chosen a metric from well before the attainment challenge began.

The second set of statistics that you focus on is the ACEL figures, which started in 2016. Is it not a bit of an overstatement to say that we have record highs and lows when the statistics have been there for only nine years? Why are you overstating the significance of those numbers?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Willie Rennie

Precisely. My point is that you are overstating it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Willie Rennie

I will come back on that. It is down to teacher judgment, which is incredibly important, but teachers are under a lot of pressure overall to improve performance. How do you test the rigour of the information that you are receiving? Do you have an independent process to sample the data?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Willie Rennie

I am not.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Willie Rennie

But my point is—I am sorry to interrupt; please carry on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Willie Rennie

My point is that I think that you are overstating the figures by mentioning “record” lows, as if the data has been collected for centuries, when, in fact, it has been only a few years.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Willie Rennie

It is interesting that you have chosen the positive destinations measure and the period from 2010, which is well before the attainment challenge was introduced. The attainment gap has been closing. However, before the attainment challenge was brought in, we see that the gap went from around 13 down to 7 percentage points, which is a drop of 6 points. Since the attainment challenge was brought in, the gap has gone down by only 3 percentage points.

It could be argued that the attainment challenge, and the determined effort by Nicola Sturgeon and John Swinney when they were in charge of that portfolio, had less impact on the gap than there was when they were not actually working on it. I am puzzled as to why you have chosen that measurement to sum up the success or failure of the attainment challenge.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Willie Rennie

Only for nine years.