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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Willie Rennie

Mr Trainer, your organisation has been quite critical of the current

“confrontational and not child centred”

approach of the children’s hearings system. Sheriff Mackie has said something similar and has indicated that he would like to see a change of culture. Do you think that that is enough? If not, what more needs to be done?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Willie Rennie

Does anybody else want to come in on this issue?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Willie Rennie

But trust is really important. The young people we are talking about do not trust very many people. Even if we came up with all the money that was necessary, the process would still have to be managed in a realistic way with the people you have. Therefore, even if the money was all there, would you manage to meet the Promise by 2030?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Willie Rennie

You have all expressed caution. I have heard you talk about realism, managing expectations and being overly optimistic. We are already behind the curve on meeting the Promise by 2030—I do not think that anyone here today has said we are actually going to meet it by then, and you have said that a single bill will not move us forward towards meeting it. Are you saying that we are even further behind than we thought we were?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

Your report last week was probably the clearest that you have been, but I think that you are still behind the curve, because other organisations have been warning about this in stark terms for some time now.

You are clearly not gonnae tell us today how many job losses and cuts in student numbers are needed, and how much more money will be required to avoid those job losses. I think that you will regret that, because you have statutory responsibilities—as you have set out—and because you have pulled your punches in previous years, and we have ended up in some difficulties as a result of that reluctance to be straight with Government and with the public about what is required.

If you are not going to tell us how many job losses there will be, by how much student numbers will be cut, and how much more money is required, will you at least tell us how urgent the situation is? When do you expect colleges and universities to start announcing plans for big changes? Are we talking weeks or months?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

I do not want to interrupt you, but that is not what I said. Your colleagues sat here last time and were very reluctant to be very straight with Government. We got irritated by that, because we could see the cloud that was hanging over the sector, and you pulled back. I sought an assurance that, if you were not going to tell us publicly, you were at least saying privately that that was the case—I see your colleague nodding her head. You were not clear publicly before, so please do not say that you have been in alignment with Audit Scotland and with other institutions, because you have not been. You have been very reluctant to be straight and open about how dark the situation is.

Anyway, I am sorry—I should not interrupt.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

Are you afraid to tell some of the bigger institutions that have relied on historical or current demand that they will lose credits? Is that stopping you from bringing in greater flexibility?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

When we had representatives of the colleges before us, they talked with great enthusiasm about the flexible workforce development fund and the relationship with employers. They said, “This is fantastic.” However, when we asked, “What about the credit system?”, it went dead. They said that there was no innovation and no real incentive to discuss it with employers. I am paraphrasing, but they said, “We just got the money and we delivered what we have always delivered.” There was no enthusiasm. Surely, we have to get the credit system—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

That sounds more positive than things have in recent weeks.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

That concerns me. We have made a lot of mistakes throughout the process. We were unable to identify the problem in the first place. We are now on our third principal in a short space of time. Shane O’Neill was apparently the answer for a while and then he was not.

When will we get a proper grip of the University of Dundee and have clear communications with the public about what is happening so that they know that the institution has a future? Confidence went to rock bottom for a long time. I am pleased to hear that things are moving in the right direction, but tell me that you have a grip of the situation.