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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Miles Briggs

One of my concerns is that the data covers a pandemic period, when breaks were suspended and were not available. It feels as though the figure is artificially low in predicting potential uptake.

Will a national care service help to standardise the approach so that more carers can access support plans and statements, to ensure that they have the right to a break? We have discussed what is often referred to as a postcode lottery, in which people can access different services depending on where they live. On improvements in standards and consistency, I support clinical standards and think that we should have had them a long time ago in Scotland, although we do not necessarily need the bill to achieve that. Where could standards be improved and, importantly, how should they be included in the bill? There is very little detail.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Miles Briggs

A lot of what is in the bill has come out of the experience of people during the pandemic. For many of us, that was concerning. For example, I do not think that the Government has ever properly explained the measures on the suspension of power of attorney.

I am interested in the Anne’s law campaign, which I think all parties have supported. Section 40 in the bill requires care homes to comply with ministerial directions on visiting. That is about visiting, but my concern is that it does not necessarily talk about patient rights and individual rights. Does anyone have specific comments on section 40?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Miles Briggs

I want to follow the questions that Paul McLennan asked. You made some important points, Alison White, because at the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee, which Paul McLennan and I are also members of, we heard that two examples of good policy making around co-design have been ending homelessness together and the Promise, where you were brought in at the beginning of the process, not at the end. Specifically, how do you think that the Scottish Government can, given the process that it has decided to use for this, make sure that the national care service is not potentially destabilising for care users, their carers and the wider workforce? Where do you think that that co-design will come in during this process?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Miles Briggs

Does anyone else want to come in?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Miles Briggs

So, one of the 24 groups might be having a wee look at that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Miles Briggs

Does anyone else want to come in?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Miles Briggs

My final question is about the financial memorandum. The issue of pensions liabilities and insurance for staff was also raised at the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. Given that we are talking about 75,000 people being transferred from all 32 local authorities to a national care service, has there been any discussion about what that will look like from the point of view of the potential cost and liability, which, currently, has not been outlined by the Government?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Miles Briggs

Good morning to the panel and thank you for joining us.

I will follow up on some of the questions that the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy highlighted in its submission. The CIPFA directors of finance argue that the issues facing the current system are a product of underfunding by the Scottish Government. However, the same submission states that councils are now spending around 20 per cent more on adult social care and children’s services than they did 10 years previously.

Audit Scotland’s assessment is that

“the pace of change has been slow. The performance of current services is variable and there are significant service areas that are not meeting expectations”.

In the light of those two statements, do the witnesses want to comment on the current situation and the impact that a national care service is likely to have on it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Miles Briggs

I agree with all those concerns. Given the specific pressures that Edinburgh faces with delayed discharge—I think that almost half of all delayed discharge is here in the capital—and homelessness, such as the number of children in temporary accommodation, the restructuring cannot help to tackle those problems at this moment.

From the earlier panel of witnesses, we heard about the challenges that are likely to come from transferring 75,000 local authority staff to a new national care service. Specifically, they raised a concern about pensions. That issue did not necessarily exist with the centralisation of the police and fire services in 2013. What lessons have been learned from the creation of a national police service and fire service? What pitfalls are we seeing with the creation of a national care service?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Miles Briggs

Some of my questions around the impact that the bill will have on homelessness prevention legislation have been touched on, but I want to expand on third sector involvement. At the time of the integration of health and social care, one of the key criticisms that we heard was that the third sector was not at the table and therefore did not have a chance to influence decision making. Do you think that that has changed with regard to the early stages of the development of the national care service?