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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 December 2024
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Miles Briggs

I think that it does. My question is whether those buildings have not been included because the task with homes seems to be so huge. We are talking about 105 pilot projects, not the potentially 5,000 buildings across Scotland that might need surveying. Obviously, those are the high-risk buildings that we are talking about.

How long do you think things will take? I am an Edinburgh MSP; other committee members are Glasgow MSPs. We represent parts of the country in which those buildings predominantly are and people who are now trapped in those buildings with mortgages on properties that they cannot sell. You have outlined insurance problems, as well. With what is an in-principle agreement—I would like to know from the minister what we are talking about with that—how long do you think it will be until things can be resolved?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Miles Briggs

A large number of buildings that are included in England are being omitted in Scotland—specifically, hotels and hospitals. I have concerns about that. What is the thinking behind those buildings not being included? Is that under review?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Miles Briggs

The Government’s in-principle agreement states:

“Single Building Assessments will help us understand the scope and scale of cladding issues across Scotland.”

I am not sure that we will achieve that if we do not include those buildings. I think that most people would imagine that any building in which people sleep will be part of the review process. I understand that hospitals are public buildings and they will have 24-hour waking watches, if you like, as part of their management, but I think that hotels are a special case.

Where is the Government on that? You talked about discussions with colleagues across the rest of the UK. They are taking this work forward. It would be concerning if Scotland did not include hotels and we were then an outlier because we had not had that work done. Is there potential to review that to make sure that we are not in a very different position compared with the rest of the UK?

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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Miles Briggs

Maybe you could keep us updated on that area as well, as we have concerns about it.

The Building Safety Act 2022, which applies in England, has been mentioned a couple of times. You have committed to legislation potentially being brought forward. Is there anything in that act that you believe could be brought in as emergency legislation to move us forward? I asked you how long it could take for this to be resolved and for people in Scotland to have peace of mind. I do not think that anyone wants to commit to that, but, if we are talking about 105 buildings and then a potential 5,000, it could be decades before we can genuinely say—

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Miles Briggs

Yes. Thank you, convener. I have a couple of questions.

Quite a depressing picture is being painted of where we are at in Scotland. It is for the Government to get a grip of the situation.

Why do you think, or are you concerned, that other buildings have not been included in Scotland that have been included in England—for example, hotels, office buildings, hospitals and schools? Obviously, those are not all buildings that people sleep in, but why are we taking a different approach in Scotland to buildings that, clearly, the public would think would be captured?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Miles Briggs

[Inaudible.]—want to talk about, but that is a significant issue.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Miles Briggs

Thanks.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Miles Briggs

Good morning. It was concerning to hear from the first panel the thought that, in recent years, we have seen a lack of political leadership on the matter. I hope that you will try to change that, minister, and ensure that there is progress. As an Edinburgh MSP, I have individual constituents who have had to use freedom of information requests to get any information. I hope that your commitment to communication will move forward at pace, because many people across Scotland feel that they have just been left. They are understandably waiting for developments, but they are not getting any updates. I think that it is important to put that on the record.

Ivan McKee made a couple of points about orphan properties. What is the current number of orphan properties that have been identified among the buildings?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Miles Briggs

On that point, we heard from the previous panel that the Scottish Government is responsible for the procurement and reporting around SBAs. Would you consider reviewing that such that known developers did that work? Concerns have been highlighted to us in previous meetings that we are asking developers to take someone else’s workings and provide a solution. Is there an opportunity within the agreement to change that to make it easier and increase capacity?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Miles Briggs

Finally, do you have an assessment of how many orphan buildings we are talking about and what cost might be associated with them?