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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

The clerks have told me that, because the Scottish Government is acceding to this request, it would be the right body to write to, although it might well have to contact the UK Government to clarify some of the details. We will follow the procedure and the direction of travel, if you are all right with that.

Thank you very much. That is all that we are going to do in public, so we will now move into private session.

12:02 Meeting continued in private until 12:43.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I am trying to decipher that answer. It seems to be a nice way of saying that the draft plan does not have half the stuff in it that you thought would be there. Is that a fair interpretation? Try to put your view in a sentence.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. Thank you. I am sorry to have put words in your mouth, but your reply helped me to understand your point.

I will bring in Professor Roy.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Richard and Neil, I do not know which of you is going to throw the other one under the bus.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I thought that I might need to drill down into what requirements had and had not been met, but you have all been pretty clear on that point. That means that we can go straight to the next set of questions. It is over to you, Douglas.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

My problem is that I cannot understand what has been netted off, to see where the benefits are. For example, let us look at heat in buildings. Although I do not think that the EPC system is worth while—I think that it should be reviewed, and the Government is reviewing it—going on such a system gives us a bottom-line cost of making the changes to reach, for example, EPC band C. In a house—I have used this example previously—reaching band D or E could cost up to £40,000, and the net benefit of making changes would be a £323 saving in electricity per year. That system allows people to see what the costs are to them.

Clare Wharmby, do you not think that laying that out a bit more would encourage people to invest where they think they can make reasonable change and to prioritise that investment, instead of just saying to them, “Och, well, there’s a saving for you somewhere, but we can’t tell you what it actually is”?

09:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

No—people are signing up to it, because their elected representatives will make a decision and will speak to it. It might not pass, but we do have to discuss it. The fact is that people have to sign up to this. Did we not learn that from the debates at the latest United Nations climate change conference of the parties? If people do not sign up, it is not going to be achieved.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that you have argued that point eloquently enough, Mr Stewart, so we will move to the next questions, which are from Monica Lennon.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Deputy convener, I am not sure whether I saw your hand up. Do you want to come in, or did I misread the signal that you were giving? You are live, so we should be able to hear you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I am sorry—that was very perfunctory. I did not mean it to sound like that.