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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Of course, we are all entitled to our own opinion, cabinet secretary. My point is that you said that you will not reach your five-year target on PPM until 2027. Abellio was closer to reaching the figure that you have quoted for 2027 than ScotRail is at the moment. You have said that it will take another two years to get to that figure. Is that good news? How can you package that as good news?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Monica Lennon has the next question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

A few other people want to question you about buses, cabinet secretary. I will bring in Monica Lennon, to be followed by Bob Doris.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

We are definitely not finished yet, cabinet secretary, because we are coming on to a very important subject that is close to my heart, and you will not have to guess that it is ferries.

On 19 September, the committee met Peel Ports to discuss various matters, including the issues at Ardrossan. At that meeting, it was clear to me that what I had been led to believe in the Parliament about Peel Ports frustrating the purchase of Ardrossan was not true. Could you confirm that the Government has delayed the purchase of Ardrossan harbour on two occasions, on the basis that it is still trying to figure out whether Troon or Ardrossan should be the base for the ferry, or was it just on one occasion, but we were told two?

11:30  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

So, there was a discussion on whether Troon or Ardrossan—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Finally, you might not recognise the figure of £170 million, but it was quoted some time ago as what Peel Ports thought that it would cost to increase the size of the pier to take a bigger boat than had previously moored there. As part of your costings for buying the port, and as part of the business case, you will have a cost for doing the repairs and regeneration required at Ardrossan. What will it cost the people of Scotland to get the port fit to take a ferry that was ordered over nine years ago?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

I just want to push on that slightly, if I may, cabinet secretary. In a commercial deal, part of it will be about recognising the amount that you will have to invest in the asset to make it work. I am not convinced that you have those figures in front of you—or do you have them to hand?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

I am looking around to see if there are any other questions.

For the last series of questions, cabinet secretary, I ask you to cast your mind back to June 2023, which is just before you became a cabinet secretary. You were then part of this committee. On 26 June 2023, it produced a report on “A Modern and Sustainable Ferry Service for Scotland”, which I am sure you remember. I draw your attention to paragraph 193, which states:

“There is widespread agreement that the current tripartite arrangement for managing Scottish Government-funded ferries is not working effectively for the Clyde and Hebrides and is not adequately serving ferry-dependent communities. Change is needed.”

Paragraph 198 then states:

“The Committee recommends the Scottish Government should give consideration to a CMAL-Transport Scotland merger, to create a “Ferries Scotland” as an arm of Transport Scotland. This could streamline decision-taking.”

That followed on from a report by the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee in 2020 that said that the tripartite agreement was not working. What are you doing about it, cabinet secretary?

11:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

We have had more focused ones since then, cabinet secretary. [Laughter.]

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

I totally agree. My point is that CMAL is holding pensions that are the responsibility of CalMac, as I understand it, and there is a deficit in the pension fund. I am asking you whether that is going to be resolved in the short term.