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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

You are slightly pushing my definition of a short answer—in fact, you are certainly pushing my definition. That answer was fulsome, perhaps.

10:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Are you finished, Kevin?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that we will have to agree to disagree.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

If you have been around longer than the cabinet secretary, you can reflect on both issues. Sorry, cabinet secretary—I think that it is entirely appropriate that I ask those questions. The committee undertook a visit and we were given specific information. If that information is not correct, that is quite serious, as far as I, as convener of the committee, am concerned. However, I am happy to hear from Chris Wilcock.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

The deputy convener has some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

No, it was not. I took part in that inquiry as well, cabinet secretary.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Good. The issue will probably not be resolved before I leave the Parliament, so it is on the record that I have at least tried to get it resolved.

Unless there are any other questions from the committee, that brings us to the end of this session on transport. It has gone on slightly longer than you might have anticipated, cabinet secretary, but that is probably due to your huge, wide-ranging portfolio—I do not think that the committee can be blamed for that.

We will look at some subordinate legislation next. Before we do that, I will briefly suspend the meeting, because the session has been slightly longer than anticipated.

11:51 Meeting suspended.  

11:56 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Welcome back. The third item on our agenda is consideration of a consent notification relating to a proposed UK statutory instrument. The instrument would amend the Producer Responsibility Obligations (Packaging and Packaging Waste) Regulations 2024, on which we took evidence on 3 September last year.

The amendments would enable the appointment of a producer responsibility organisation, a process that involves the UK Government legislating in a devolved area. The Scottish Government has said that it is content with the UK Government doing so in this case, and the reasons for that are set out in the notification that we have received. The committee’s role is to decide whether it agrees with the Scottish Government’s decision. We can express a view both on whether we agree in principle to the UK Government legislating in this area and on whether we agree with the specific manner in which it proposes to do so.

If we are content for consent to be given, we will write to the Scottish Government accordingly.? In doing so, we have the option to draw matters to the Government’s attention, pose questions or ask to be kept up to date on particular matters. If we are not content with the proposal, we can make one or two recommendations.?

It looks as though no member wishes to express any views on the instrument.

It is suggested in our meeting notes that, if we are content to agree to the instrument, we might pose the following questions. What functions of the scheme administrator might be delegated to the new PRO? How will the governance of the PRO reflect or ensure consideration of Scottish interests and circumstances? Are the proposed changes to modelling local authority costs expected to significantly impact the estimates of the funds that will be made available to Scottish local authorities? And has COSLA raised any concerns? Those questions seem relevant, but that does not affect the fact that, at the end of the day, we will probably agree to the instrument.

Is the committee content that the provision that is set out in the notification should be made in the proposed UK statutory instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Again, I will sign the letter relating to that decision.

We will now move into private. I put on record that Monica Lennon will not take part in item 7 and that we expect Labour Party substitute Sarah Boyack to attend in her place.

12:02 Meeting continued in private until 13:16.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decisions on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 30th meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. Our first item of business is decisions on whether to take items 5, 6 and 7 in private. Item 5 is consideration of the evidence that we will hear today on transport; item 6 is consideration of the committee’s work programme; and item 7 is consideration of our approach to the stage 1 scrutiny of the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill.

To ensure that we carefully adhere to the Parliament’s standing orders, I will split this into two questions. First, I will ask whether we are agreed to take items 5 and 6 in private, and then I will ask whether we are agreed to take item 7 in private, noting that Monica Lennon may not participate in that decision, purely because she is the member who is in charge of that bill. I will not quote the relevant rule, but I am sure that members have all looked it up, as I have. I hope that that is all clear.

Are we agreed to take items 5 and 6 in private?

Members indicated agreement.