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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Well, at the end of the day, you will probably die if you cannot drink.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Monica Lennon has a couple of questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Do you have a second question? I am conscious of the time.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I thank the witnesses for coming to give evidence. I apologise for making you answer more questions and stay longer than you had expected, but that may have happened because you gave such detailed answers, so I am going to let you shoulder some of the blame. I know that some of you have offered to submit information to the committee after the meeting. The sooner that you can do that, the better, because there are pressures on our timescale.

I suspend the meeting until 10:40.

10:32 Meeting suspended.  

10:41 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you.

My next question is based on that. Do you think that there is a significant risk of an ecocide event, as defined in the bill, happening in Scotland? We will start the other way round, with Catherine McWilliam.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

It sounds as though you are taking the fifth amendment. Simon?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I have no idea what that means. Could you explain it to me?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay, so my frying pan is bad for two reasons.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Bob Doris wants to come in, but first I want to press on one little thing. Under the offence of ecocide, the bill defines long-term harm as damage that

“is irreversible or is unlikely to be reversed through a process of natural recovery within 12 months”.

That means that, although something might be able to be done to speed up the process, if there was not a natural recovery process, an unfortunate event would still be ecocide, even if somebody had done everything in their power to reverse it. Are you comfortable with that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

My understanding of that situation is that people can take action themselves—