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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

It might be helpful to you, Michael, but I am still totally confused as to who is doing what. SEPA and Scottish Water—which will, no doubt, be reviewing this evidence session—might want to pass comment on the information that we have just heard, because I am sorry to say that I remain confused.

I will come to Mark Ruskell for a question, but before you leave the topic of water and go on to something else, I would like a follow-up. You go ahead with your question first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

In his letter, Mark Roberts talks about the Government’s commitment to continued annual reporting. Will you review that annually to ensure that it is measuring up to its targets?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

I do not think that that is the final question on this theme. Kevin Stewart wants to come in, too.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 2 is consideration of a draft statutory instrument. The current regulations were laid on 27 February and concern regulation of various activities by the Scottish Environment Protection Agency. These regulations are very similar to regulations that were laid on 27 November last year, which were withdrawn on 9 December at the request of this committee to allow additional time for scrutiny. Again, I thank the Government for doing that; it has made for better scrutiny.

The clerk’s paper notes the evidence that we have heard on the matter. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee has made no formal recommendations on the regulations. It has noted that issues that it raised about previous regulations have been addressed in the new regulations.

I welcome to the meeting Gillian Martin, Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy, and her supporting officials: Carolyn Boyd, solicitor, Scottish Government legal directorate; Gary Gray, senior policy adviser, Scottish Government environment and forestry directorate; and Phil Leeks, senior policy manager, Scottish Government environment and forestry directorate.

The instrument is laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that it cannot come into force until the Parliament approves it. Following this evidence session, the committee will be invited to consider a motion to recommend that the instrument be approved. I remind everyone that the Scottish Government officials can speak under this item but not in the debate that follows.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

Phil Leeks came to your rescue. Thank you for the answer. The next question is from Michael Matheson.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

I will be pushing SEPA, if it is listening in, to answer that question, and I am sure that you will bring it to its attention, too, cabinet secretary.

Mark, you have some questions on another subject. I want to give you a couple of chances to develop them.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

The committee will report the outcome of the instrument in due course. Is the committee content to delegate authority to me as convener to approve the draft report for publication?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

Welcome back. Agenda item 4 is an evidence session with Environmental Standards Scotland to consider its latest annual report and accounts. It is also an opportunity for a wider-ranging discussion about all of ESS’s main challenges and priorities.

I welcome from Environmental Standards Scotland Dr Richard Dixon, acting chair, and Mark Roberts, chief executive. Richard, I notice that you are still the acting chair, but I congratulate you on your appointment as chair. We look forward to working with you. I understand that you would like to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

As you would expect, there are a few questions. Before we get into them, I remind members and those who are watching that, as a farmer, I have an interest in a family farm on Speyside; it is adjacent to the river, and we extract water from the river for irrigation. I am also a member of the Spey Fishery Board and I have an interest in a wild salmon fishery, which may be important when we come to talk about water abstraction. I declare all those interests at the outset.

I have a quick question on all the work that is going on. You mentioned that you follow up on your reports. How do you do that, and how do you keep track of how the Government is responding? We have heard about what you have done, but I am not quite seeing what the Government is doing in response in every case.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. I will hand back to Monica, who has more questions on sewage.