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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 December 2024
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Monica Lennon is the only other person who indicated that they wish to speak. I will go to her, then I will make a comment before we come to the minister.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Can you not change a section of an act through primary legislation? It looks as if Bridget Bryden wants to help me out—I might have got this confused.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

There were a lot of amendments to the 2019 act—I seem to remember sitting in the committee and dealing with more than 100 amendments on the workplace parking levy alone—so the fact that this was a failed system might have gone slightly under the radar. How long would it take the Government, if it were so minded, to bring forward primary legislation to change this very minor part of the 2019 act? I think that we are talking about section 38.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 31st meeting in 2024 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. The first agenda item for consideration is evidence on the Local Services Franchises (Traffic Commissioner Notices and Panels) (Scotland) Regulations 2024. The instrument is subject to the negative procedure, which means that it will become law unless it is annulled.

We first considered the instrument on 8 October, when we noted concerns that had been raised about bus franchising panels and we agreed to seek further evidence. Because of the limited time, we wrote to five organisations and individuals, including the Scottish Government, and I thank them all for writing back. Their responses are included in the papers.

Douglas Lumsden has lodged a motion to annul the instrument. Before we have the formal debate on the motion, we will have an evidence session with the minister and his officials that will give us an opportunity to ask questions or seek clarification on the basis of the evidence that we have received. For the record, given the interest in the item and in our provision of local bus services, I state that I had already asked the Scottish Government to give evidence before Douglas Lumsden lodged his motion.

I welcome Jim Fairlie, the Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity; Sharon Wood, bus policy manager for Transport Scotland; Kevin Gibson, a lawyer for the Scottish Government; and Bridget Bryden, bus regulatory policy team leader for Transport Scotland—that is a snappy title. Thank you very much for joining us. I will give the minister a few minutes to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Committee members have a lot of questions. I will bring in Mark Ruskell first, to be followed by Douglas Lumsden and Monica Lennon.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Given that the committee must produce a report on the instrument and that the deadline for producing that report is extremely tight, it will have to be a very short and factual report. Is the committee content to delegate to me the responsibility for clearing the clerk’s draft for publication later today? That is the timescale.

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I thank the minister and his officials for attending.

I suspend the meeting for 10 minutes to allow for a changeover of witnesses before we move on to the next item.

10:32 Meeting suspended.  

10:43 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

I clarify that the purpose of interventions is to ask questions. Everyone has had a chance to make statements. Once again, I invite Mr Lumsden—briefly—to wind up.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

As you briefly answer that question, minister, I encourage you to come to the end of your winding up.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

I call Douglas Lumsden, to be followed by Monica Lennon.