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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I remind members that we are short of time. I am keen to hear the answer to that question, but I must get Rhoda Grant in, because she has sat patiently throughout our discussion, so short answers would be very helpful.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Our second item of business is an evidence session on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill. Today, we will hear from two panels of witnesses. I welcome to the meeting our first panel, which is made up of representatives of non-governmental organisations. David Fleetwood is the director of policy at the John Muir Trust; Sarah Madden is vice-convener of the land use and land reform group at Scottish Environment LINK; and Dr Tara Wight is Scotland policy and campaigns co-ordinator at the Landworkers’ Alliance. I do not know why it was difficult to get my tongue round that, but it proved to be difficult. Tara is appearing remotely. Finally, we have Max—I am not even going to get this out, although Max and I know each other well—Wiszniewski, who is the campaign manager for the Revive coalition. Thank you all for attending.

I also welcome Rhoda Grant MSP to the meeting. She will ask some questions at the end.

As I do at all such meetings, I declare my interest in a farming partnership in Moray, as is set out in my entry in the register of members’ interests. Specifically, I declare an interest as owner of approximately 500 acres of farmland, of which 50 acres are woodland, and as a tenant of approximately 500 acres in Moray under a non-agricultural tenancy. I have another farming tenancy under the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991, and I also declare that I sometimes take on annual grass lets.

I will start off with an easy question. David Fleetwood, what is the extent of the John Muir Trust’s holdings?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

That is an undecided.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. Max?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Is your answer a yes or a no?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

—of most of the separate holdings?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I will move on to questions from the deputy convener, as I want to get on to the rest of the conversation, which is about the legislation, not land ownership. I assume that Gresham House complies with land ownership legislation and has declared any controlling interest in land in the land register, as has everyone else. I think that the requirement was to do that by April this year.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Have you complied with that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

If only it were as easy as recording one’s interests on the parliamentary register.

Let us get back to the legislation, with questions from Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Rob Carlow, I think that many of your holdings are under 1,000 hectares, but, if the threshold was dropped to 500 hectares, would you be worried about having to go through a lotting process? Would you wish not to be exposed to those sorts of challenges if you were going to invest in forestry?