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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 March 2026
Edward Mountain
Thank you.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 March 2026
Edward Mountain
Item 2 is consideration of a draft statutory instrument, on which the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee has made no comment. I welcome Mairi Gougeon, the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands. She is accompanied by her supporting officials: Michael Bland, who is—this is a snappy title—the streamlining and policy section head for the licensing operations team; and Dr Joanna Dingwall, who is the head of the marine renewables and law of the sea branch of the Scottish Government.
The instrument is laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that it cannot come into force unless the Parliament approves it. Following the evidence session, the committee will be invited to consider a motion recommending that the instrument be approved. I remind everyone that the officials can speak under this item but not in the debate that follows. Cabinet secretary, would you like to make a short opening statement?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Edward Mountain
Mortalities.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Edward Mountain
With respect, cabinet secretary, if 25 per cent of my cows died every year, I would be out of business, and I would not want to continue, because I would be sickened by it. I leave it at that.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Edward Mountain
I remind committee members and members of the public that my entry in the register of members’ interests shows that I am a joint owner of a wild salmon fishery on the River Spey. The River Spey is on the east coast of Scotland and is not directly affected by salmon farming on the west coast of Scotland.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Edward Mountain
I remind members that I am a board member of Fisheries Management Scotland.
I welcome the committee’s interest in salmon mortality rates, which reflects the work that the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee undertook in 2018. I draw the cabinet secretary’s attention to recommendation 10 of that committee’s report, which refers to having ambitious, world-leading targets to reduce mortality levels. It goes on to say:
“It considers that this should include appropriate mechanisms to allow for the limiting or closing down of production until causes”
relating to mortality
“are addressed.”
At that stage, mortality was 3.8 million farmed fish, which was about 7 per cent of the total. As the cabinet secretary suggested, it increased to about 17 million in 2022, which was about 25 per cent of the total. It increased again the following year to 17.5 million, dropped slightly in 2024 and then shot up again in 2025. We now have mortality at around 20 to 25 per cent. What figure will the Government set as an acceptable level—in percentage terms—of fish stock dying in pens in Scotland?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Edward Mountain
The figures are remaining stubbornly high and well above the numbers that the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee considered to be totally unacceptable. Let us translate that to other stock across Scotland. There are about 6.5 million sheep in Scotland. If 1.5 million were found dead on the hills across Scotland every year, would the Government find that acceptable, or would it take action to deal with that?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Edward Mountain
My final question is this. If the figure reached 10 per cent and there were fish pens across Scotland where 10 per cent was being exceeded in every production cycle—I can point you to a few, cabinet secretary, but I will resist the temptation to do that—would that be an acceptable figure, or would you say that it should be lower? If it is 10 per cent, will you say to such sites that production should stop, as both the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee and this committee have suggested?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 March 2026
Edward Mountain
It may not be the cabinet secretary, because she might not be here in the next parliamentary session. I do not think that you are standing, cabinet secretary—are you? It will be your successor, whoever that may be.
Thank you very much, cabinet secretary. We will later consider in private the evidence that we have heard, which will inform the report that we put to the Parliament.
I will briefly suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 March 2026
Edward Mountain
We cannot hear you yet. Hold on. Let us just wait until I get the nod.