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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I do not know what the deputy convener will speak about, but he wants to ask a question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Before we leave the question on lotting, let us say that a 1,500 hectare estate that was suitable or partly forested came up for sale. If somebody decided that they wanted to invest in it or that they were going to get some investors together—whether a bank or individuals—they would know that, when they came to sell it, which they might be forced to do early, they would have to go through the lotting process, and, if the Land Commission’s proposals were in place, there could be a 90-day hold on the sale. Do you think that that would put investors off investing in that potential 1,500 hectares of woodland, which might meet the Government’s net zero targets?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I will ask each of you a question that requires one answer and then I will come back with a follow-up. Please do not be tempted to give more than one answer, because I will take your first one—it is a bit like those television games.

Halfway through the bill process, the Scottish Land Commission has come up with additional evidence on the size threshold for land management plans. It recently came up with recommendations on part 1 and I am led to believe that it will come up with further recommendations on part 2. It is somewhat late in the bill process, because we have already taken evidence from the SLC. It has recommended reducing the size threshold for land management plans from 3,000 hectares to 1,000 hectares. Can you give me one reason for or against that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. Given the fact that, based on the bill as it stands, the management plans are going to exist, whatever the size of the holding, somebody has to draw up that plan and bring it all together, including the community consultation. Sarah Madden, your organisation has been involved in that. If you include your volunteers’ time and all the other costs involved, how much will it cost to produce a management plan for a holding of, say, 1,000 hectares?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I understand that it might be formulaic and interpreted, but I am looking for actual time and costs. You are proposing to impose a cost on people and I am trying to understand whether you understand what that cost will be.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

It would be useful to understand what you believe the cost of a management plan is.

David, you have done management plans. I think that some of them have worked and some have not: some have upset the community and some have not. How much do they cost to produce for 1,000 hectares?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

No, sorry, I asked you a specific question and I am trying to get a specific answer. If you are not in a position to give me the answer, I am very happy to take a letter to the committee afterwards. From my point of view, I am trying to identify the costs of producing the plans. We have heard that it is £75,000 from, I think, Moray Estates, and a reasonable figure of £10,000 from somebody else. I am interested to know what you think those plans would cost, because I think that that burden is interesting.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

With respect, I take the point that you have made. I have read the John Muir Trust accounts and seen where it is financially, so I understand some of the costs. I am just trying to identify them. Bob Doris, do you want to come in on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you for that one reason.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. Kevin Stewart has a question.