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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

Our first item of business is a decision on taking business in private. Do members agree to take in private item 5, which is consideration of the evidence that we will have heard on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill, and item 6, which is consideration of the appointment of the chair of Environmental Standards Scotland? Do members also agree to consider our stage 1 report on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill in private at future meetings?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Of course, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating, when we see how many Government amendments are lodged at stage 2. If there is nothing radical, I suggest that they will all be taken care of in one session—but we will see. Stage 2 will tell us.

Why does the bill focus on large landholdings in rural areas rather than on some other definition—say, “significant landholdings”? We have completely ignored urban areas; we are concentrating just on the countryside, where land reform affects fewer people than it might if you were to include urban settlements.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

From what we have heard from the cabinet secretary, it sounds like there will be a few amendments. We will pause until just before 5 past 11 to allow a changeover of witnesses and everyone to stretch their legs.

10:56 Meeting suspended.  

11:05 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

So you see it being set in stone when the lease is entered into. Do you think that it will help people to get carbon credits?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I do not know; I just think that, if one word works, I do not understand why you would replace it with a different one simply for drafting reasons.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Mark Ruskell has a question before I go to Rhoda Grant.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

One of the things that I have found difficult is that the Scottish Land Commission, which I assume you spoke to before you introduced the bill—you certainly pay it £1.5 million to give the Government advice—disagreed with the proposals and has come up with a whole list of additional evidence. Surely that is not helpful. Surely that evidence should have come in before the bill was introduced. Why do you ignore the concerns that the Scottish Land Commission says that it has had for some time?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Appointment of the Chair of Environmental Standards Scotland

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Welcome back to the third part of today’s Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee meeting. This evidence session is a chance to consider the Scottish Government’s nomination for the chair of Environmental Standards Scotland, and I am pleased to welcome its nominee, Dr Richard Dixon, to the meeting. Appointments to the ESS board require parliamentary approval under the UK Withdrawal from the European Union (Continuity) (Scotland) Act 2021.

This evidence session is an opportunity to put questions to Dr Dixon about his vision for the role, and what qualities and experience he thinks he would bring to it, prior to Parliament considering a motion on his appointment. “Dr Dixon” is very formal. Richard, do you want to make an opening statement?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I am glad that you mentioned the community right to buy. I am sure that we will come back to it, but I note that the findings of the consultation will be disclosed post the next stage of the bill’s consideration, which is hardly ideal.

I go back to the fact that this is our third tranche of land reform legislation since the Scottish Parliament came in, and all of it has focused on rural areas, with nothing on urban areas. Are you saying that all the problems are in the countryside and that there is nothing in urban areas?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

That was done by the Scottish Land Commission, which has come up with a whole heap of recommendations post the bill’s publication. You listened to the commission before, but you have not listened to it on the bill.

Anyway, there are lots of follow-up questions. Kevin Stewart will be first.