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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I know that you will. I am asking you if you recognise that figure.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

If the figure was £750 million per annum, it would mean that, by 2045, achieving the carbon budgets would cost the Scottish Government £18,750,000,000. Philip Raines, you are looking confused— I have done the maths. That is a huge amount of money, but no price has been put on what it will cost the people of Scotland beyond the cost to the Scottish Government—in other words, on what level of private investment will be required. Budgets are about setting income and expenditure. The income that you are trying to achieve in the budgets is a reduction in carbon, but we have not had the expenditure figures. Will we get any such figures before the committee considers the climate change plan, or will they only be laid out in the plan itself?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 3, Against 0, Abstentions 4.

Motion agreed to,

That the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee recommends that the Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009 (Scottish Carbon Budgets) Amendment Regulations 2025 [draft] be approved.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

That concludes our business for today. Next week, there will be a discussion of the paper on carbon budgets—[Interruption.] We are not quite finished yet, Mr Stewart.

That discussion will follow from the report, which we will sign off early next week. There will also be consideration of the petition on air quality, and a supplementary legislative consent memorandum on the Planning and Infrastructure Bill will be added to the agenda.

On Friday next week, the committee will visit Port Glasgow and the Hunterston Port and Resource Centre.

Meeting closed at 12:45.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

My problem is that I do not see the budgets being done and the facts and figures being laid out. We have no centralised energy plan across Scotland. There is no strength, weaknesses, opportunities and threats analysis carried out for each and every wind farm. They just appear to go up with no budget.

I think that I see you nodding, Fabrice. I will take it as a nod and move on to Mark Ruskell, although I am happy if you want to come back in on that.

Okay, Mark—over to you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I am just looking to Professor Hegerl and Professor Renaud to see whether they want to come in. I am hearing about the benefits, and I probably agree with them, but I am not hearing what the costs are, and that is what we have to get people to sign up to.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I am struggling to understand how to get people to sign up. We cannot just say that it will cost us X if we do not do it when we do not have any idea how much it will cost if we do it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Possibly not if they do not achieve energy performance certificate band C.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I suppose that I should have said the final, final, final, final, final question when Mark Ruskell got to the end of his questions.

Thank you for contributing succinctly on all the issues that were raised. It is a complex and difficult subject, and we are very grateful for the time that you gave up to attend this morning.

I will suspend the meeting until 10:20, to allow the cabinet secretary to arrive.

10:11 Meeting suspended.  

10:20 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Welcome back. We turn to our third and final evidence session on the Scottish carbon budget regulations. I welcome to the meeting Gillian Martin, the Cabinet Secretary for Climate Action and Energy, and Scottish Government officials Philip Raines, who is deputy director for domestic climate change, and Julia Burgham Pearson, who is a lawyer.

The regulations have been laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that they cannot come into force unless Parliament approves them. Following this evidence session, the committee will be invited to consider a motion that recommends that the regulations be approved. I remind everyone that the officials can speak during this item but not in the debate that will follow it.

In case anything comes up that relates to agriculture, I remind everyone, as I did at the start of the earlier evidence session, that, in my entry in the register of interests, I have declared that I am a member of a family farming partnership in Moray, where we raise cattle for the production of beef that is sold around the world.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement.