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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

As you are answering these questions, Andy, do you predict that ministers will end up paying more for the land if the purchase was achieved by lotting than would be achieved otherwise?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I am saying that those investors who are helping the Government and Scotland to achieve our net zero aims are frightened that lotting will depress their ability to deliver at scale—indeed, they all said that. What are your views on that? Are they right, or are they wrong?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Well, cabinet secretary, it is your call, not his—do you want to bring him in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

How much?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Before we leave this area, I have a couple of quick questions. Imagine a 3,000-hectare holding with four communities around it, which is quite possible. You want the plan to involve engagement with local communities. What do you envisage that the person drawing up the plan will do? How will he or she engage with the local community?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

What are the principles that you sign up to?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Our second item of business is our final evidence-taking session on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill. I am pleased to welcome Mairi Gougeon, the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands, and her supporting officials from the Scottish Government: Andy—Andrew, I mean; sorry—Proudfoot, bill team leader, and Keith White, solicitor. Thank you for attending. I also welcome Rhoda Grant to the meeting.

Before we go into the main part of the meeting, I will, as I have done at every meeting on the bill, declare an interest in a family farming partnership in Moray, as set out in my entry in the register of members’ interests. Specifically, I declare an interest as the owner of approximately 500 acres of farmland, of which approximately 50 acres is woodland; I also declare that I am a tenant of approximately 500 acres in Moray under a non-agricultural tenancy, and that I have another farming tenancy under the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991. I also declare that I sometimes take on annual grass lets.

Before we move to questions, the cabinet secretary will make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

The process has been long and we have heard a lot of evidence from a wide variety of people. Your wish is for the bill to achieve four things: to improve the transparency around land ownership and management; to strengthen communities’ rights; to improve the sustainable development of communities by increasing opportunities; and to ensure the sufficient and adequate supply of land—I think that that encapsulates your views. Bearing that in mind, the majority of people who have come to the committee to give evidence say that the bill will achieve no such thing. What is your response to them?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

It would, especially as carbon credits are usually based on a long period of 50 to 100 years. The applicant would be entering a lease of up to 100 years, which would then, in your word, hamstring someone for the next 100 years. The lease would set out what can and cannot be done. In my mind, that makes it a bit of a questionable activity, and I do not understand it. It would have been helpful for me to have seen a lease in the bill so that I could understand it. Once you start fiddling around with legislation after it has been passed, you distort the land rental market, do you not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I am not convinced, but I hear your arguments. The next question is from Kevin Stewart.