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It is 3,000 hectares for the management.

Before I go to Bob Doris’s question on this, I will note that I do not know who said that £5,000 is not much money, but it is an awful lot of money if someone has not got much money. The question is whether fines should be on a sliding scale. If someone holds a huge tranche of land, should they be fined more than a farmer who has 200 acres or 200 hectares—if we are going to hectares, or whatever it should be? Does Andy Wightman want to come in on that?

I think, in fairness, that you were quoting £50 an hour for a land agent. That is what it was 20 years ago, when I was working; I think that you will find that it is more than four times that now. It probably keeps pace with the mechanic in the garage, who is charging around £140 an hour.

Peter, do you have a figure?

Laurie, do you have a view on the figure, and on why the Government has settled on 3,000 hectares?

No. In fairness, Peter, we will come back to the land and communities commissioner in some questions at the end, so you will get a chance.

I will make an observation to Peter, Andy, Laurie and Magnus. We are about an eighth of the way through the questions and about an hour through our time. Having ex-politicians on a panel always involves a danger that they might expand their answers. I ask you to cut those down, and I will carefully signal to you to keep them short. It is all very well just nodding at me, but you will have to pay me a bit of mind because, if I do not get all these guys’ questions in, I will be in trouble at the end—and I have to live with them every day. Please, therefore, keep your answers short. Of course, if you agree with another panel member, there is no problem with saying, “I agree”, and leaving it at that.

I will move on to the next questions.

That is very generous of you.

Does Magnus Linklater want to come in?

I go briefly to Monica Lennon.

Kevin Stewart wants to come in with a follow-up question, so I will bring him in and then come back to you, Monica.

Good morning, and welcome to the 36th meeting in 2024 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. The first item of business this morning is a decision on whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Item 3 is consideration of the committee’s approach to the Environmental Authorisations (Scotland) (Amendment) Regulations 2025, which is quite a weighty tome. Item 4 is consideration of the evidence on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill that we are about to hear.

Do we agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Before we go on, with Kevin Stewart asking a question next—