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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay, so on reaching the target of 24,000, my maths would suggest to me that we are about 18 years away on that rate of getting the chargers. Is that about right?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

That is probably an interesting point to leave this. Somebody will have to then negotiate at what price the person buys the electricity back and whether it was the price that it was sold at. Otherwise, it could be an expensive tumble dryer.

On that note, thank you very much for giving evidence this morning and I am sorry about the pressure of time. It was always going to happen, but I appreciate all the time and the effort you have put into this. Thank you again and have a great Christmas.

I will briefly suspend the meeting for three minutes and we will move the rest of the meeting into private. Thank you.

12:45 Meeting continued in private until 13:00.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Welcome back to the meeting, and we continue our consideration of the Scottish Government’s draft climate change plan with a panel focusing on electric vehicles and charging networks.

I welcome Philip Gomm, head of internal communications, RAC Foundation; Andy Poole, head of environmental policy, Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders; and Jarrod Birch, head of policy, ChargeUK. I believe that Professor Jillian Anable, chair in transport and energy at the institute for transport studies at the University of Leeds, will be joining us, too.

We will go straight to questions, but first of all, I apologise for the delay in getting to you. We were struggling with a lot of evidence from the previous panel, and I am putting it down to my failure to keep people on time. I might be a bit harder on this panel, given the time pressures.

I get the easy question to start with, and I ask everyone giving evidence to answer this briefly: are the proposals and policies set out in the draft climate change plan—that is, to phase out petrol and diesel cars by 2030—sufficient to deliver the Scottish Government’s overarching goals for electric vehicle uptake? What do you think? I will bring in Philip Gomm to start with.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I will bring in Kevin Anderson.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

The danger is that, if all of the witnesses look away and do not put up their hands, I will nominate somebody.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

We are out of time, but we still have questions to ask. I see that Kevin Anderson wants to come in. I said to the others at the start, but unfortunately I could not say to you remotely, that I cannot bring everyone in all of the time and I must try to balance bringing in witnesses with the need to bring in committee members. I will pass over to Mark Ruskell and then to Monica Lennon.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

There was liberal use of punctuation there. That was about five or six sentences. [Laughter.]

I will move on to James Curran. I am sorry. I have to do this. I hate doing it more than anything else in the world, but I have no option.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 38th meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. Our first item of business is a decision on taking items 2, 3 and 5 in private. Item 2 is consideration of the evidence that we heard last week on the Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill legislative consent memorandum, item 3 is consideration of the committee’s work programme and item 5 is consideration of the evidence that we will have heard on the draft climate change plan. Do we agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Kevin Anderson and then Lloyd Austin.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

The deputy convener has singled out Professor Curran. We will then go to Professor Anderson.