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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Before we leave the issue of costs, it strikes me that some gross costs have been put into the draft plan that have been netted out to benefits. It is so high level—as Richard Dixon suggested—that it is impossible to see where the risks are and, therefore, impossible for the Government to take people with it when it comes to investing in a climate change plan.

My question is whether that is an accurate statement. Are you fearful that, if people do not know what the real costs of adapting to climate change are, they will not buy into the plan? Do you think that the plan will fall on that basis? Graeme, do you want to comment on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

And is it? You asked the question yourself, so let me throw it back at you. Is the Government being really clear?

In fairness, Clare, I would say that, if I am asked to sign up to a plan—as I have been in my life in various guises—and I do not do so, I will not have bought into it and will not commit to it. You asked the question, Clare—are you signed up to what is in the plan?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Well, maybe that says everything.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. You cannot sign up to something if you do not know what you are signing up to. You should never do that, should you?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I understand that. It is a pity that Audit Scotland is not here to speak to the figures, but it declined our invitation to come to today’s meeting, for a variety of reasons.

Richard, are the public going to sign up to this plan?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Bob Doris, I would love to come in on that point, but only after you have finished.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

On that, I accept that the plan will change, but carbon budgets will not change, because we set those to 2045. That was the whole point. It gave us a trajectory.

Am I right in saying that you are asking for more detail in the short term, with a plus-or-minus variance figure to give us an indication of what we need to do to get back on track? Surely, that would be a properly worked out plan. Would it not be worked on that basis—that, if we fail on one thing, we might need to do more on another? Most budgets have pluses or minuses.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that it is agreed that, if we exceed the budgets, we cannot write that off against future—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

We cannot bank it but have to move on. That is my understanding.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

It is very difficult. I was taught to use the words “what if” on every policy. “What if it doesn’t do this?” or “What if it does that?” There do not appear to be any “what ifs” in the draft plan.

I go back to Bob Doris.