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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

You were shaking your head and I thought you wanted to come in, but you do not want to come in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I am just wondering what the point of it is. If issues were to be raised, how would we then be able to scrutinise them? That is what I am trying to get at.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

So, the unique learner number is something that has just been—are you shaking your head?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

It sounds as though you are picking and choosing. You have given a number of different timeframes. Can you clarify whether it has been two years since you have looked at the figures, which is why you cannot give us more accurate information, or whether you got figures just before or just after the debate on 10 September last year? You have given two answers on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Not required to.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I am just trying to understand this. Clearly, you and your officials thought that we need to get agreement and have conversations with the ICO on the proposal. The minister accepted that. The unique learner number has been discussed for years and has been recommended by the commissioner for fair access and others. Given those points, why have officials not said to Mr Dey or others in Government, “We are having a discussion with the ICO on this SSI; we also need to have a discussion if we are going to make progress with the unique learner number”? Has no one raised that with you or the minister?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Are the figures that you are using from two years ago or from September last year? That is all that I am trying to get from you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

But the minister was specifically asked about rolling that out. It would not just be between local areas; it would involve making that a national issue, in the same way that the unique learner number would be nationwide.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

But you knew then that that was not enough.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I just wanted to check. I am getting nods of agreement—that is good.

Finally, cabinet secretary, I read you a number of quotes from the children’s commissioner, and you said that you would not put words in her mouth. I will read one of those quotes again and invite you to respond:

“One of the greatest barriers to the take up of school meals are feelings of shame and stigma, and only providing meals to P6-P7 in receipt of the Scottish Child Payment just exacerbates that stigma.”

Do you accept that the SSI that you are asking us to approve will, according to the children’s commissioner, exacerbate the shame and stigma for young people who take up free school meals?