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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Ms Galli wants to come in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

That is helpful.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Finally, section 14 of the bill proposes changes to the process of establishing grounds. Both CELCIS and the commissioner’s office have raised issues to do with the enhanced role of the reporter in the bill. What could be done to ensure that the concerns that you have raised are addressed and that children’s rights are upheld when establishing grounds? Can you provide any more details or information about your concerns around the enhanced role of the reporter?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning and welcome to the 25th meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. We have received apologies from Ross Greer. I welcome Liz Smith and Roz McCall, who are joining us for part of the meeting.

The first item of business is an update on the Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill. I welcome the Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise, Natalie Don-Innes. She is accompanied by Scottish Government officials Saskia Kearns, team leader for learning for sustainability and outdoor learning; Lewis Hedge, deputy director for curriculum and qualifications; and Kirstie McKerron, a solicitor in the legal directorate.

Minister, I understand that you would like to make an opening statement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you recall the evidence that you gave to this committee on 11 June?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

These are Liz Smith’s words:

“Can I get it on the record that, at the same meeting, the Scottish Government will be doing the same”,

that being “bringing forward … proposed amendments.”

I can read you the whole quotation. Let us go back to what Liz Smith said:

“I will be bringing forward some proposed amendments. Can I get it on the record that, at the same meeting, the Scottish Government will be doing the same thing and proposing amendments, as the committee has requested?”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 11 June 2025; c 68.]

Your response was one word: “Absolutely.”

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

The committee was looking for those amendments, and we got your reassurance in June that you were going to bring forward proposed amendments. There is no ambiguity at all in the wording. It is very clear.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

You have, and I welcome that.

At any point after that meeting, did your officials tell you that perhaps the evidence that you gave to the committee was incorrect?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

As the minister responsible, you gave commitments to this committee to further progress this, and you will have to make a statement of some kind on whether a financial resolution should be agreed or not. Have you not yet been asked to present your findings and position to Cabinet?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Okay. Ms McKerron?