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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Douglas Ross

It does, thank you. That is helpful context.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Douglas Ross

We will get into some of those other issues.

I have a final question. You have Government support, which you must welcome as the member in charge of a bill at stage 1, but there is some opposition to it and concerns have been raised, particularly by the teaching unions. What do you say to union members who are watching today and have concerns about what the bill would mean for teachers, classroom assistants and others in school settings?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Douglas Ross

You mentioned your engagement with the Scottish Government a few times. Has it always been in favour, and supportive, of the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Douglas Ross

We appreciate your time and your answers today as well as the work of the non-Government bills unit and the Parliament team. We thank you and the officials who have been here today.

That concludes the public part of our proceedings. We now move into private session.

10:45 Meeting continued in private until 11:48.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Will you explain to the committee, and to those who are watching, what the material changes for children, young people and their families would be if your bill passes? What is not being delivered at the moment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Douglas Ross

With regard to clarity around the number of instances that occur, I had a discussion with the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills, when she was in front of us giving evidence on the bill, about how that should be reported, publicly or otherwise. There is some unease in local authorities and perhaps the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities that we will end up with league tables showing that a certain school or local authority uses restraint far more than others. What is your view on that? On the one hand, we want to be as open and as transparent as possible. On the other hand, it is about how people might use those figures if they are publicly available.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning, and welcome to the 32nd meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee.? The first item of business is a decision on whether to take agenda item 4 in private. Do we agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Douglas Ross

The next item of business is evidence on the Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill.? I welcome our final panel of witnesses on the bill: Daniel Johnson, who is the member in charge of the bill, and, from the Scottish Parliament, Roz Thomson, who is head of the non-Government bills unit, and Caroline Mair, who is a solicitor. I thank them all for joining us.

Before I invite Daniel Johnson to make an opening statement, I will mention a visit that I and other members made to the Donaldson Trust earlier this week. During the visit, we were able to see the trust’s campus, meet practitioners and some of the people who the trust supports, and find out more about the approaches that the trust uses to help neurodivergent people to access education, build life skills, develop independence and improve their wellbeing. As part of our visit, we discussed the proposed changes to the law on the use of restraint and seclusion. It was interesting for those of us who were there to hear views on the subject and to hear the team at the trust highlighting the approach that they take, which focuses on wellbeing and de-escalation.

I have written formally to thank the Donaldson Trust on behalf of the committee, and I also place on the record our grateful thanks to everyone we met at Donaldson’s for their help with our visit and for contributing their views on the bill.

Having said that, I invite Daniel Johnson to make an opening statement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Douglas Ross

On Mr Briggs’s first question, which was about recording and reporting, one submission in response to our call for evidence suggested that the reporting could be done on the next school day. Do you agree that that risks leaving children and families without information over the weekend, if the incident happened on a Friday, or weeks or months if it happened on the final day before the summer holidays, before the schools return for the autumn term?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

This problem is not an issue of conflict with the UK Government; it is because part of the bill—sections 1 and 2, and section 10—amend the Children (Scotland) Act 1995. You are saying that the UK Government could maybe write off some of the legislation—