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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Douglas Ross

Thank you. Is there anything that Tara Lillis wants to add?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Douglas Ross

I am sorry, but I think that Andrew Bradshaw wanted to come in on an earlier question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Douglas Ross

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Douglas Ross

Could you provide us with the list of local authorities that use it? Did you say that 13 use it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Douglas Ross

That would be useful.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Douglas Ross

We heard from Andrew Bradshaw that, because of the current situation, 40 per cent of primary school pupils do not get any outdoor education. If we simply put more money into what we are doing at the moment, there will still be a chunk of pupils who do not get any residential outdoor education.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Douglas Ross

I am asking what would improve education and attainment more generally. Given that you all agree, and last week’s witnesses agreed, that the provision of residential outdoor education is a good thing, if we do not pursue the bill and make it a priority to combine the opportunity to provide outdoor education and improve attainment, what else is there?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Deputy Convener

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Douglas Ross

Good morning and welcome to the 29th meeting in 2024 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee.

I welcome Jackie Dunbar, who joins the committee this morning. She replaces our colleague Stephanie Callaghan. On behalf of the committee, I thank Stephanie for her work while she was a member of the committee during session 6.

Our first item of business is to choose a new deputy convener. The Parliament has agreed that only members of the Scottish National Party are eligible for nomination as deputy convener. I understand that Jackie Dunbar is the Scottish National Party’s nominee. Do we agree to the nomination of Jackie Dunbar?

Jackie Dunbar was chosen as deputy convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Douglas Ross

Item 2 is an evidence session on the Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. This is a member’s bill, which was introduced by Liz Smith MSP.

We will hear from two panels of witnesses today. I welcome our first panel. Andrew Bradshaw is wider achievement manager, outdoor learning and adventure education, at the City of Edinburgh Council. Andrew is also representing the Scottish Advisory Panel for Outdoor Education and joins us virtually. Matthew Sweeney is policy manager, children and young people, at the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities. Tara Lillis is a policy official at the NASUWT. Welcome to you all.

We have an awful lot of questions to get through. Some members may direct their questions to individual witnesses. If you hear someone say something that you were going to say, there is no need to repeat it—we will have to rattle through things, given that we have two panels today.

I will start by asking you all—but maybe Matthew Sweeney can give COSLA’s point of view first—to give us an overview of the current provision of outdoor residential education across Scotland and the variances that you see within the 32 local authorities across the country.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Douglas Ross

On that point, a teacher who is interested in football will want to coach and help with the football club, and someone who does not have that interest will not. If we understand more about the volume of teachers who are interested in outdoor education and want to do it, that may allow us to see where the interest is across the country. It undoubtedly is going above and beyond, but is it not fair to say that they do it because they have an interest anyway and they want to share their experience?