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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 November 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Neil Bibby, you will need to be very quick, please.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Fair enough.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Good morning and welcome to the 29th meeting in 2025 of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee. The only public item on our agenda today is to begin taking evidence in our inquiry into a legal mechanism for any independence referendum.

We have received apologies from Dr Daniel Cetrà. We are joined in person by Professor Adam Tomkins, John Millar chair of public law, University of Glasgow; Professor Stephen Tierney, professor of constitutional theory, University of Edinburgh; and Professor Aileen McHarg, professor in public law and human rights, Durham University. A warm welcome to you all.

I will open with a general question. In your submissions to the committee, which were provided ahead of today’s session, you outlined international examples of constitutionally regulated secession processes. However, what are your views on whether there is significant enough alignment between any of those examples and the United Kingdom’s constitutional arrangements such that they may inform a potential legal mechanism for a referendum?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Clare Adamson

I will ask the final question.

Professor McHarg mentioned the idea, “You will know it when you see it.” I have to say that as a data scientist working on the EU referendum, I saw it in Scotland. I was devastated to have been taken out of the EU, given that 64 per cent of the Scottish people supported remaining in the EU. Given that that was a statement and a consensus from the Scottish people about our position, what does it say about our democracy and the state of the union that Ireland received many concessions, albeit mostly through the Good Friday agreement, but Scotland received absolutely no concessions on the access to the EU that we would want?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Clare Adamson

We will move to questions from the committee.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Thank you all for your attendance. We will have a very short break before we move into private session, because we are a little behind time.

10:46 Meeting continued in private until 11:15.  

 

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Cabinet secretary, please continue.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Well, we do have a duty to be courteous and respectful.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Clare Adamson

I have a final question. Historic Environment Scotland is a relatively new organisation. It has only been in existence following the merger of Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland and Historic Scotland in 2015. I would like some reassurance that the problems have not been endemic since that time. It had a difficult time during Covid, where revenues were cut and it could not open the facilities, which had a devastating impact on its business model at that time. Did the problems start occurring after Covid?

On the core function, one of the biggest threats to HES is heritable skills, which are vital. I know that some colleges have expressed concern that it is not engaging as much with colleges in terms of heritable skills coming through, although I know that it has its own training centres as well.

The current issues will not have helped to enthuse anyone to come and work or seek a modern apprenticeship in HES, given what has happened. How do you reset that position? HES also has the climate challenge, which is having an impact on places such Arbroath abbey. We have not seen this in the past, but climate change is having a bigger impact.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Thank you, cabinet secretary. I will open by asking about the staff at HES and the impact that the situation will have had on staff morale and relationships between leadership and the general staff. How are the staff being supported at this time? Is there an active relationship between the unions and HES that will enable them to move forward together in addressing the cultural issues that have been identified?