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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 September 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

National Outcomes

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Clare Adamson

Does Kat from the Copenhagen office want to respond? I am getting confused with the Katrines and Catrionas.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

National Outcomes

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Clare Adamson

I have asked the broadcasting staff to turn the sound up. We can hear you, but we are straining a little. They have turned it up now.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

National Outcomes

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Clare Adamson

Our next agenda item is to take evidence on the committee’s inquiry into the Scottish Government’s national outcomes and indicators relating to international policy. From the Scottish Government, we are joined remotely this morning by Catriona Radcliffe, head of the Beijing office—perhaps you could confirm which pronunciation of Catriona is correct—Katrine Feldinger, head of the Copenhagen office, and Christopher Thomson, head of the Washington DC office. Thank you all for taking the time to join us. I hope that all the technology will work for us.

I will open with a question about the annual report, which was published on Monday. It outlines three main pillars of work and seeks to connect those with national outcomes and the network outcomes. However, with regard to the national indicators—the level below the outcomes in the national performance framework—no indicator has been developed specifically for the international network. Is that something that needs to be worked on? If so, how would that be measured?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

National Outcomes

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Clare Adamson

You have my sympathies and apologies.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

National Outcomes

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Clare Adamson

I have another question about the national indicators. Some of them, including the indicators for reputation and for international exporting, apply to Scotland’s international policy. The committee recently visited Belfast and Dublin as part of our inquiry work. In Dublin, we met with Irish officials who work in the international office and who told us that they are about to open their 131st overseas mission, which puts them on a slightly different scale to Scotland at the moment. They indicated that soft power is often the way to open up issues such as trade, or to start conversations.

What is the focus of your work? How do you balance those areas and how do you use soft power? Christopher, you are still on screen, so please answer first.

10:30  

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

National Outcomes

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Clare Adamson

There is a final question, from Mr Brown.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

National Outcomes

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Clare Adamson

Thank you.

We will move to questions from the committee, starting with Kate Forbes.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

National Outcomes

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Clare Adamson

That brings us to the end of our time. Thank you all for an informative and useful discussion. I particularly thank those who have had an early start. Christopher Thomson, you mentioned your enthusiasm for your job and said that it was what gets you up in the morning—you have certainly demonstrated that today.

Because this is our last meeting for the year, I wish everyone the very best for the festive season and—in the context of our international visitors and our earlier discussion—peace on earth.

11:30 Meeting continued in private until 11:30.  

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Ukraine

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Clare Adamson

As Motherwell and Wishaw constituency MSP, I know that we have been lucky to have North Lanarkshire Council engage with the fund for social landlords. There is a tower in my area that was dedicated for use in this regard, and that has worked out extremely well, with support services on hand. The families there are very well integrated into local schools and organisations. That was supported by a £50 million fund, and my understanding is that £23 million of it has been used to date. Can the cabinet secretary explain how the rest of that fund will be used? What barriers are there to getting social landlords to take up that opportunity for Ukrainians?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Ukraine

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Clare Adamson

Thank you, minister. I now move to questions from the committee. Mr Brown will go first.