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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 November 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Clare Adamson

That is an interesting thought, given where we are with exemptions in Scotland.

I thank the witnesses for attending. That was interesting evidence. I also thank them for the report. We all received a copy of it before the meeting and it was interesting reading.

We move into private.

10:44 Meeting continued in private until 11:09.  

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Clare Adamson

Our second agenda item is to continue to take evidence on the committee’s inquiry into the review of the European Union-United Kingdom trade and co-operation agreement—the TCA.

We are joined remotely by Mike Buckley, director of the Independent Commission on UK-EU Relations; Peter Holmes, emeritus fellow of the UK Trade Policy Observatory at the University of Sussex; and David Hamilton, student in bioeconomy, innovation and governance at the University of Edinburgh. We are also hoping to be joined by Anna Jerzewska, who is the director of Trade and Borders. Everyone on the panel is a member of the Independent Commission on UK-EU Relations think tank. I extend a warm welcome to you all.

I will ask a question to start us off. In your report, “Brexit and Goods: trade strategy for unlocking UK-EU growth and opportunities”, you said:

“An effective way to ensure a smooth and affordable flow of goods trade would be via mutual recognition schemes, although it is likely that the UK would have to make standards concessions to achieve this.”

You also suggested that “regulatory divergence” would present challenges for exporting businesses. Will you elaborate on those thoughts, and on what is meant by “standards concessions”, so that we are absolutely clear on that?

I will go to Mike Buckley first.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Clare Adamson

You are very welcome at our committee, albeit virtually.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Clare Adamson

That is okay.

Mike Buckley, do you want to comment?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Clare Adamson

Good morning, and a warm welcome to the 13th meeting in 2024 of the Constitution, Europe and External Affairs Committee.

Our first agenda item is a decision on taking business in private. Are members content to take items 3 and 4 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

National Outcomes

Meeting date: 16 May 2024

Clare Adamson

I am very sorry that we have been so squeezed for time today, but that concludes the session. Thank you very much for your written communication to us and for coming along this morning.

11:29 Meeting continued in private until 11:30.  

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Office for the Internal Market (Annual Report)

Meeting date: 16 May 2024

Clare Adamson

As members have no further questions, I will finish with one. I am sorry to return to the DRS, but I guess that it is the most controversial example that we have had. I appreciate that you were not involved in that.

Mr Macbeth, you said that part of the issue was that nations were going at different speeds in that regard. However, we are politicians in devolved legislatures, which should have competence in certain areas. I am trying to understand what would have happened if you had been involved.

If the Scottish Government had asked for advice, would you have looked purely at its proposals, or would you have looked at the wider context in the rest of the UK? I do not want to put words in your mouth, but, in that example, it seems from what you have said that the only advice that you would be able to provide would be cautionary and that, until the four nations have an idea of what they will do, it is a big risk for policy makers and business to go ahead when, in effect, we do not have an English devolved settlement but an English trump card, in the sense that that market will always trump what is happening in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Office for the Internal Market (Annual Report)

Meeting date: 16 May 2024

Clare Adamson

Our second agenda item is to take evidence from the Office for the Internal Market on its annual report. We are joined by Murdoch MacLennan, chair, and James Macbeth, director, both from the Office for the Internal Market. I give a warm welcome to you both. I invite Mr MacLennan to make an opening statement.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

National Outcomes

Meeting date: 16 May 2024

Clare Adamson

I am sure that you could. Mr Brown, I am conscious of time, so if you could make it a quick question, and if we could have succinct answers, that would be helpful.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Office for the Internal Market (Annual Report)

Meeting date: 16 May 2024

Clare Adamson

I will open with a question about the case studies. You say that there is

“a clear view, particularly among the larger businesses ... that the Market Access Principles are unlikely to be used as the preferred approach to address regulatory differences.

Could you expand on that and say what the implications of that will be for the Internal Market Act 2020?