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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Liz Smith

That would be helpful, because one of the most important things that we must do when welfare benefits are developed is measure their effectiveness. There is relatively good cross-party agreement that the Scottish child payment has worked well, been quick, been easy to access and had a pretty convincing record on targeting those who are most in need. I would argue that the evidence for the child payment is much more positive than it is for other benefits.

As we are in a very tight fiscal situation—you have referred to that—we have to be sure that the benefits that are being paid out are effective, yet we seem to have a considerable gap in the data that would allow us to understand which payments are the most effective. Why do we know that the Scottish child payment has worked well when that is not so clear for other benefits? Do you accept that that is a big issue for the Scottish Government, particularly if it is trying to mitigate policies from the Westminster Government at the same time?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Liz Smith

It has been really well trailed in the media recently that the cost of Edinburgh hotel accommodation in the inner city has shot up substantially. That includes hotels that members use—I am not someone who does that, but a lot of colleagues do. Has that cost indeed increased? In some cases, I think that it has done so by 30 or 35 per cent, with further increases likely. Has that been thought about in relation to members’ accommodation expenses?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

Do you think that those reasons explain the whole 37 per cent increase? That is a very substantial figure for just one year of a budget.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

Can I be clear that the 37 per cent increase covers not only those for whom you think the application process in the existing system has been easier, but more people who will come into that system who are eligible for payments? Is that what you are saying?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

My final point is on the $64 million question. The Scottish Fiscal Commission has just published new costs relating to mitigation of the two-child cap. It says that the cost will be £155 million and will rise to £198 million by 2029-30. That means that social security spend in Scotland, which is already something like £529 million more than the money that is secured for devolved benefits, will go up. Where will the money come from to meet the commitments that the Scottish Government has set out?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

When we are talking about very considerable increases, it is important that we try to work out the reasons behind them. If there are two categories, it is important that we get to the bottom of that.

At the Finance and Public Administration Committee this week, the Auditor General told us that Audit Scotland is doing some work—which I think will be published in July—on the factors that are creating the increase in relation to the adult disability payment. What do you expect the findings of that study to be?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

Where will the money come from?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

Thank you, convener. I apologise to you, cabinet secretary, but I am to give evidence to another committee at 10.15, so I will have to leave early. I am not walking out on you, but I will have to leave in order to present evidence in committee room 3.

I will begin on the topic of child disability payments, for which there is currently £450 million in this year’s budget. The statistics that we are being given for next year’s budget show that it will go up to £618 million, which is an increase of 37 per cent—which, I have to say, is a very considerable increase.

Will you comment on why there is such a substantial increase in that part of the budget over the course of just one year, especially when adult disability payments are going up by around 11 per cent and when the 37 per cent is far in excess of what is happening elsewhere in the UK?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

The Fiscal Commission has said that the number of people who are not coming off the case load is quite substantial. Is that a concern to the Government?