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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Liz Smith

That is interesting. We will come to the aspect of collaboration between different local authorities, which is important in trying to close up some of the gaps.

My final question is about how easy—

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Liz Smith

Would anybody else like to comment on how easy it is to get the various stakeholders to collaborate with you within the local authority that you run? How easy is it to get health boards and other stakeholders on the same page as you? Mr Booth, would you like to comment on that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Liz Smith

I want to ask Mr Beswick if he has any further comments on that point, because it must be very difficult to collect the relevant data in Argyll and Bute. Is it a particular problem to do that in rural communities?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Liz Smith

Of course.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Liz Smith

Good morning. I want to frame my questions around an important comment from the recent Joseph Rowntree Foundation report, which was published in October this year. The report was very supportive of the Scottish child payment, and we know that there has been excellent feedback from families who receive that payment.

However, the report criticised the United Kingdom Government and the Scottish Government on the point of data, saying that it was extremely difficult to measure the impact of the policy on actual outcomes. How easy is it for you to capture what you think is the most meaningful data, to measure how successful you are in reducing poverty?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Liz Smith

I have finished, convener.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Liz Smith

I can do, yes.

In response to the original questions, two or three of you flagged up that, when it comes to the use of data, it is important that local authorities can learn from one other. Is there sufficient collaboration across local authorities on addressing the issues? Mr Beswick, you are from Argyll and Bute, and I am sure that it is not as easy for you to collaborate as it is for those in the inner cities. Is the collaboration good enough?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Liz Smith

The Welsh bill did not pass, but that was by one vote, which was because somebody was not there to vote—it was a very close-run thing. Sam Rowlands, the Welsh member who promoted the bill, came up here quite a lot and we had a lot of conversations. I followed the bill in the Senedd carefully. Although it was defeated by one vote, the Welsh Government went back to Sam Rowlands and said, “We don’t want this whole thing to completely collapse. We’re very keen to have outdoor education as one of the basic offerings in Welsh schools.” As I mentioned, the information that is available in Wales is much better than what is available in Scotland, so I think that that bill will come back.

As you know, Tim Farron had a similar bill, before the general election closed it down, and he has been doing the same thing in England. He comes from the Lake District area, so that is where he gets a lot of his information. When it comes to supporting our young people these days, this kind of thing is even more important than it was in the past. So, yes, I think that the proposal will come back in Wales.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Liz Smith

A lot of employers are keen to develop our young people’s skills and some would like a model of trust funding for this kind of outdoor activity—it does not have to be outdoor education; it could be other things. Help could be given to our outdoor centres to provide quality provision through additional funding that employers could make available. Some centres have benefited from being able to upgrade some of their facilities.

There is a new outdoor education centre up in Aberdeenshire, and a lady from there gave evidence not to the Education, Children and Young People Committee but to the cross-party group on outdoor education. She told an inspiring story about the funding for that centre. When outdoor education centres do creative and imaginative things, funding can be found, but you are quite right that we must ensure that that can happen not just in a few cases but across the system.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Liz Smith

The Welsh bill did not pass, but that was by one vote, which was because somebody was not there to vote—it was a very close-run thing. Sam Rowlands, the Welsh member who promoted the bill, came up here quite a lot and we had a lot of conversations. I followed the bill in the Senedd carefully. Although it was defeated by one vote, the Welsh Government went back to Sam Rowlands and said, “We don’t want this whole thing to completely collapse. We’re very keen to have outdoor education as one of the basic offerings in Welsh schools.” As I mentioned, the information that is available in Wales is much better than what is available in Scotland, so I think that that bill will come back.

As you know, Tim Farron had a similar bill, before the general election closed it down, and he has been doing the same thing in England. He comes from the Lake District area, so that is where he gets a lot of his information. When it comes to supporting our young people these days, this kind of thing is even more important than it was in the past. So, yes, I think that the proposal will come back in Wales.